AMYRLIN SEAT . . . ACOS Spoilers

[Timothy Bruening]

spoiler space inserted. Incidently, um, isn't your subject, which I
have edited, a bit revealing?

AMYRLIN SEAT BREAKS FIRST OATH! Details below. Spoilers for A Crown of
I believe I have caught Siuan Sanche telling an outright lie, at a time when
she was still bound by the Three Oaths. In tSR, Chapter 47, Elaida springs
her infamous coup. Elaida and her supporters walk into Siuan's office and
Shield her from the OP as Elaida calmly removes Siuan's stole and informs
her that she has been removed from the Amyrlin seat. Elaida then binds
Siuan with Air. On page 766 of the paperback tSR, Siuan angrily tells
Elaida that "There has never been a rebellion inside the Tower". However,
at the bottom of page 247 in Chapter 12 of ACOS, Egwene thinks to herself
that there have been six mutinies in the White Tower's history, hidden away
in the Tower's secret histories. The secret histories are accessible only
to the Amyrlin, Keeper, Sitters, and a few librarians. I believe that
Amyrlin Siuan would have had access to the secret histories and thus would
have known about the six mutinies. Therefore, I believe that Siuan lied when
she said that there had never been a rebellion in the Tower, at a time when
Siuan was still bound by the First Oath (she hadn't been Stilled yet). Here
are the sources of my belief that Amyrlin Siuan knew about the rebellions in
On page 25, Amyrlin Elaida thinks about the ancient rebellions buried in the
secret records open only to Amyrlin, Keeper, and Sitters. If Amyrlin Elaida
knows about those rebellions, then so did Amyrlin Siuan. On pages 156, 212
and 246 are indications that Siuan was familiar with the Tower's secret
history. On page 156, Egwene muses to herself that Siuan had told her
secret details of some of the odd things that have happened in the Tower.
On page 212, in the last paragraph, Egwene comments that she doubts that
anyone has ever been raised Amyrlin without first being a full Aes Sedai,
and thinks to herself that that comment should have elicited a comment from
Siuan about the Tower's hidden records. At the top of page 246, Siuan says
that there is nothing in the secret records about Amyrlins demanding oaths
of fealty.

All depends on how Siuan, in her mind, defined the term "rebellion."
It may well be that Siuan did not consider those mutinies to be
rebellions.
I like your analysis. But Siuan was always slippery with a word.
She may be trying to shame the rebels back in their place by using a
word which is not used in the Tower, even among those in the know, to
describe the incidents. Wasn't Elaida a sitter for the White, by the
way?

I believe that a mutiny is a type of rebellion.

Do we associate the term "rebellion" with the Civil War? If I said,
"There has not been a rebellion in the US in over 150 years", am I
necessarily lying or speaking a word that is not true?

The Southern States revolted against the US government, so I would call the Civil War a rebellion.

[Timothy Bruening]

AMYRLIN SEAT BREAKS FIRST OATH! Details below. Spoilers for A Crown of
I believe I have caught Siuan Sanche telling an outright lie, at a time when
she was still bound by the Three Oaths. In tSR, Chapter 47, Elaida springs
her infamous coup. Elaida and her supporters walk into Siuan's office and
Shield her from the OP as Elaida calmly removes Siuan's stole and informs
her that she has been removed from the Amyrlin seat. Elaida then binds
Siuan with Air. On page 766 of the paperback tSR, Siuan angrily tells
Elaida that "There has never been a rebellion inside the Tower". However,
at the bottom of page 247 in Chapter 12 of ACOS, Egwene thinks to herself
that there have been six mutinies in the White Tower's history, hidden away
in the Tower's secret histories. The secret histories are accessible only
to the Amyrlin, Keeper, Sitters, and a few librarians. I believe that
Amyrlin Siuan would have had access to the secret histories and thus would
have known about the six mutinies. Therefore, I believe that Siuan lied when
she said that there had never been a rebellion in the Tower, at a time when
Siuan was still bound by the First Oath (she hadn't been Stilled yet). Here
are the sources of my belief that Amyrlin Siuan knew about the rebellions in
On page 25, Amyrlin Elaida thinks about the ancient rebellions buried in the
secret records open only to Amyrlin, Keeper, and Sitters. If Amyrlin Elaida
knows about those rebellions, then so did Amyrlin Siuan. On pages 156, 212
and 246 are indications that Siuan was familiar with the Tower's secret
history. On page 156, Egwene muses to herself that Siuan had told her
secret details of some of the odd things that have happened in the Tower.
On page 212, in the last paragraph, Egwene comments that she doubts that
anyone has ever been raised Amyrlin without first being a full Aes Sedai,
and thinks to herself that that comment should have elicited a comment from
Siuan about the Tower's hidden records. At the top of page 246, Siuan says
that there is nothing in the secret records about Amyrlins demanding oaths
of fealty.

Another AS lying incident: I thought I remembered Siuan once saying (Maybe in The Great Hunt) that she was the 5th consecutive Amyrlin raised from the Blue Ajah. But according to the list of Amyrlins on page 216 of The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel Of Time, a Grey was raised to the Amyrlin Seat 2 Amyrlins before Siuan.