Pre-KOD Theory roll call

[John Hamby]

So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

A few of mine:

1.Leane, reformed BA member. I had thought Jordan was going in this
direction in TFOH and then it seemed to disappear. ALviarin's pov
seemed to diminish this idea of not fully destroy it. The KOD prologue
though brought it back.

2.The Shadow eat their own. In part serves the first theory. But also
allows for the idea that Cabriana was killed by an indifferent (and
hurried) Semirhage regardless of her status as BA. It allows for Anaiya
to be killed by Halima after meeting her in a secluded spot because
Halima was desperate and Anaiya had outlived her purpose. It lets
Chesmal be incredibly stupid; eliminating Sierin Vayu thinking she is a
threat when she is secretly a confederate.

3.Annoura is Black Ajah.

4. Cyndane is Lanfear in Cabriana's body. Cyndane is weaker because
Lanfear somehow was able to inflate her OP strength through a wish or
the DO.

5.Moiraine is not coming back in the series. It will be hinted that she
is the next quest for Thom and Mat perhaps.

6.Demandred is using more than one proxy and is involved on several
fronts. He is fiddling with Masema, has ties with Taim and the
Whitecloaks. He is the Forsaken that Perrin will have to deal with
before all is said and done.

7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.

8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.

9.The sisters in Camelyn are Cadsuane's and they have been trying to
organize the fence-sitters who will play a pivotal role in determining
which faction comes out on top in the White Tower.

10.Cyndane is going to go after Alanna and kill her. That will tip Rand
over the edge and allow him to kill Cyndane.

That's about it just off the top of my head.

Get your claim to "knowing it all" before the spoilers start hitting the
group.

---
JSH

[Dan Weiner]

Post by John Hamby
Get your claim to "knowing it all" before the spoilers start hitting the
group.

I predict the prologue's title will have something to do with "Embers",
"Dry Grass", or both, and will feature Galad, Egwene, or both.

I also think Elayne should get fucking beheaded, but I suspect RJ will
go a different direction--- one involving weak tea, perhaps?

Seriously, though... I think Egwene will reunite the Tower in KoD.

[Wil Hunt]

Post by Dan Weiner

Post by John Hamby
Get your claim to "knowing it all" before the spoilers start hitting the
group.

I predict the prologue's title will have something to do with "Embers",
"Dry Grass", or both, and will feature Galad, Egwene, or both.
I also think Elayne should get fucking beheaded, but I suspect RJ will
go a different direction--- one involving weak tea, perhaps?
Seriously, though... I think Egwene will reunite the Tower in KoD.

I'm guessing this has already been discussed, but one of my own looney
theories is that the White Tower is irrevocably broken. And instead of
reuniting the Tower, Egwene might break the Tower as we know it and
create a new union of all channelers -- perhaps including men again?

If, on the other hand, the ideas that the Power is going away with the
next age are true, then this may not make a lot of sense -- or at least
it might just be wasted energy.

Thoughts?

[Peter Strauss]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:59:10 GMT, Dan Weiner

Post by Dan Weiner
I also think Elayne should get fucking beheaded

Or vice versa.

[Ilya the Recusant]

Post by Peter Strauss
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:59:10 GMT, Dan Weiner

Post by Dan Weiner
I also think Elayne should get fucking beheaded

Or vice versa.

How about getting fucked while beheaded?

By a large screaming clown.


Ilya the Recusant

[Rajiv Mote]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.
1.Leane, reformed BA member. I had thought Jordan was going in this
direction in TFOH and then it seemed to disappear. ALviarin's pov
seemed to diminish this idea of not fully destroy it. The KOD prologue
though brought it back.
2.The Shadow eat their own. In part serves the first theory. But also
allows for the idea that Cabriana was killed by an indifferent (and
hurried) Semirhage regardless of her status as BA. It allows for Anaiya
to be killed by Halima after meeting her in a secluded spot because
Halima was desperate and Anaiya had outlived her purpose. It lets
Chesmal be incredibly stupid; eliminating Sierin Vayu thinking she is a
threat when she is secretly a confederate.
3.Annoura is Black Ajah.
4. Cyndane is Lanfear in Cabriana's body. Cyndane is weaker because
Lanfear somehow was able to inflate her OP strength through a wish or
the DO.
5.Moiraine is not coming back in the series. It will be hinted that she
is the next quest for Thom and Mat perhaps.
6.Demandred is using more than one proxy and is involved on several
fronts. He is fiddling with Masema, has ties with Taim and the
Whitecloaks. He is the Forsaken that Perrin will have to deal with
before all is said and done.
7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.
8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.
9.The sisters in Camelyn are Cadsuane's and they have been trying to
organize the fence-sitters who will play a pivotal role in determining
which faction comes out on top in the White Tower.
10.Cyndane is going to go after Alanna and kill her. That will tip Rand
over the edge and allow him to kill Cyndane.
That's about it just off the top of my head.
Get your claim to "knowing it all" before the spoilers start hitting the
group.

Looney Theories? I'll play...

1. Slayer is a Dark Wolfbrother who's been killing wolves in
Tel'aran'rhiod to assemble the Biggest Pack of Darkhounds Ever.

2. Verin is a mole within the Black Ajah, with a mission to destroy it
from within.

3. The Last Battle will happen unnoticed by the rest of the world: no
hordes of Trollocs and Myrddraal boiling out of the Blight, just a duel
between Rand and Shaidar Haran, which mirrors/influences (a la Tarwin's
Gap) other battles: Perrin's forces vs. the Shaido, Mat's forces vs.
Suroth/Semirhage's, Logain's forces vs. Taim's, Elayne's forces vs.
Marne's, etc.

4. Rand will be forced to kill a woman to save humanity (like Cyndane,
blasting her with enough Balefire to remove the Bore).

5. The Return of the Queen: Moiraine will assume her rightful place as
Queen of Cairhien by the end of the story.

6. Perrin will drug Malden's cistern to knock out the Shaido's Wise
Ones.

7. Logain will assume the mantle of Dragon Reborn, taking control of
the Asha'man, while Rand fakes his death with Alivia's help, to be
"resurrected" three days later by Nynaeve.

8. Nynaeve will Heal Someshta the Nym, who will teach The Song to the
Tuatha'an, and all together will rid Malkier of The Blight. Lan will
smile, if a stone can be said to smile.

9. Moghedien will turn traitor to the Shadow.

10. Rand's twins will be born able to talk and channel, with memories
of all their previous lives. The boy will wander into the desert and
bond with a Jumara, becoming God Emperor of Randland.

[Dan Weiner]

Post by Rajiv Mote
3. The Last Battle will happen unnoticed by the rest of the world: no
hordes of Trollocs and Myrddraal boiling out of the Blight, just a duel
between Rand and Shaidar Haran, which mirrors/influences (a la Tarwin's
Gap) other battles: Perrin's forces vs. the Shaido, Mat's forces vs.
Suroth/Semirhage's, Logain's forces vs. Taim's, Elayne's forces vs.
Marne's, etc.

You can't seriously put Marne in a class with Semirhage, Taim, and
Shaidar Haran! The Last Battle is fought between Good and Evil, not
Stuck-Up-Bitch-From-A-Rich-Family #1 and S-U-B-F-A-R-F #2.

If the Last Battle is as awesome as the Last Battle from Narnia was,
I'll be more than happy.

Post by Rajiv Mote
10. Rand's twins will be born able to talk and channel, with memories
of all their previous lives. The boy will wander into the desert and
bond with a Jumara, becoming God Emperor of Randland.

*snicker*

[Chris Mullins]

Post by Rajiv Mote
8. Nynaeve will Heal Someshta the Nym, who will teach The Song to the
Tuatha'an, and all together will rid Malkier of The Blight. Lan will
smile, if a stone can be said to smile.

I quite like this.

It would be a great touch that would really help complete the story arcs and
tie the beginning and end of the series together. The entire Eye Of The
World sequence has essentially been a throwaway since the first book, and
seeing something come of Someshta would be a great touch.

I tend to think the song will be found, but imagine it's more likley a
Tinker will go through the ter'angreal as Rand did, and actually hear the
song being song. Through this, the Aiel could be reborn, and all of their
old promises kept.

[Frederick Hurley]

Post by Rajiv Mote
4. Rand will be forced to kill a woman to save humanity (like Cyndane,
blasting her with enough Balefire to remove the Bore).

Oooooooooooooh. Hadn't thought of that idea. INteresting. :-)

[Matt C.]

Post by Rajiv Mote
8. Nynaeve will Heal Someshta the Nym, who will teach The Song to

the

Post by Rajiv Mote
Tuatha'an, and all together will rid Malkier of The Blight. Lan

will

Post by Rajiv Mote
smile, if a stone can be said to smile.

I quite like this.

It would be a great touch that would really help complete the story
arcs and
tie the beginning and end of the series together. The entire Eye Of
The
World sequence has essentially been a throwaway since the first book,
and
seeing something come of Someshta would be a great touch.

I tend to think the song will be found, but imagine it's more likley a

Tinker will go through the ter'angreal as Rand did, and actually hear
the
song being song. Through this, the Aiel could be reborn, and all of
their
old promises kept.
--
Chris Mullins[/quote:7ed73d5e01]

What *really* pisses me off is the fact that TEOTW or the green
man/men is not mentioned more than*once* after the first book, and
the only time after is when Rand goes through the tear-off-your-face
ancestor ter-angreal in TSR. I think that plotline was great...too
bad we havent heard much of it lately...It seemed to be really
important in the first book anyway.

Post by Rajiv Mote
2. Verin is a mole within the Black Ajah, with a mission to destroy

it

Post by Rajiv Mote
from within.

I love that idea. Purple Ajah power!

[Richard Boye]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

1) Verin and her Seventy Year Plan involve Cadsuane, and it was Verin
who set in motion the Aiel War by convincing Laman to cut down
Avendesloria (whatever).

2) Cerandin of Valan Luca's circus is actually a noblewoman of the blood
and also now Valan's wife.

3) Lan and Nynaeve wiull become the king and queen of the unified
borderlands under the banner of the Goden Crane.

4) Tarna will be Keeper under Egwene.

[Sydo Zandstra]

I'll comment on some of John's pet theories, and add mine below.

So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate book
rolls around? Looney or not so looney.
1.Leane, reformed BA member. I had thought Jordan was going in this
direction in TFOH and then it seemed to disappear. ALviarin's pov seemed
to diminish this idea of not fully destroy it. The KOD prologue though
brought it back.

I highly doubt that. Could you tell me what makes you think that? I know
you've been focusing on AS more than most here, so point out what clues I
missed, please...

3.Annoura is Black Ajah.

I have always been a fan of Berelain. She's a capable ruler, who works with
what she has available (most of the time her batting eyelashes). I wonder
what makes you think Annoura is Black. I don't think I've seen her influence
Berelain in a bad way yet.

6.Demandred is using more than one proxy and is involved on several
fronts. He is fiddling with Masema, has ties with Taim and the
Whitecloaks. He is the Forsaken that Perrin will have to deal with before
all is said and done.

Definitely. Although, after having read the Prologue, I suspect that the
remaining Whitecloaks will fight for the side of Light. After all, Galad
does what is right, without putting his own interests on the forefront. I
suspect he will realize he will have to support Rand at some point...

BTW, Weiramon is one of Demandred's proxies...

7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.

Sad Bracelets, eh? Considering how much RJ has become in a rush, my guess is
that Semirhage will be stilled in a huge backlash, right after she put them
on Rand. In other words, the Sad Bracelets will backfire on her. RJ will
explain this by stating that rand is the DR, and Ta'veren too.

8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.

They are too far away from each other, in plot and space. Mat will probably
do it. Maybe after slowing it for a few seconds and then ram the medallion
down its throat.


Some of my pet theories:

1. Mesaana is not a sister in the White Tower. She is that first maid Egwene
got (the one Sheriam sent, I don't have the name at hand right now), and
she's been working with Halima.

2. The whole Perrin-Sevanna-Faile plot will be resolved, by Perrin being
able to show he's a blacksmith, and therefore being unvulnerable to Sevanna,
who will try to hurt him anyway, and loses her leadership because even
Shaido honour some laws.

3. I always had a theory that the Tinkers finding the Song would be crucial
to save Rand's sanity at some point. I based that on how many Aiel tried to
soothe Male Aes Sedai by singing to them while they wrought destruction
(It's in Rand's travel through the colums in Rhuidean, in tSR). Now that
Saidin has been cleansed, it would be possible for Rand to be affected by
something like that, since he's not completely mad.

However, I suspect this is one of the plot threads Jordan has dropped.

[j***@cub.kcnet.org]

Post by Sydo Zandstra
I'll comment on some of John's pet theories, and add mine below.

So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate book
rolls around? Looney or not so looney.
1.Leane, reformed BA member. I had thought Jordan was going in this
direction in TFOH and then it seemed to disappear. ALviarin's pov seemed
to diminish this idea of not fully destroy it. The KOD prologue though
brought it back.

I highly doubt that. Could you tell me what makes you think that? I know
you've been focusing on AS more than most here, so point out what clues I
missed, please...

The major clue is that someone made sure Siuan never got messages
from Moiraine. The Keeper is the best one to do that. Leane is
unique in that she has eyes-and-ears in Tar Valon. Might be a hint
that she has ties to Shadowfriends network in the city. Her comments
to Min in TFOh about donning a mask that she felt could never come off
but now finds it is coming off. Her changing Ajahs -- if she was a
reformed
BA, the last place she would want to be is in the one Ajah she knows
most
likely has BA in it and might even have one or two she is aware of as
such.

The biggest hurdle was the coup. The KOD prologue leaves a small
opening.
I always thought that Jordan started and then dropped this. but the
fact
remains that someone was able to get between Siuan and Moiraine. Leane
was trusted to some degree so she might have been able to intercept
these
messages.

Post by Sydo Zandstra

3.Annoura is Black Ajah.

I have always been a fan of Berelain. She's a capable ruler, who works with
what she has available (most of the time her batting eyelashes). I wonder
what makes you think Annoura is Black. I don't think I've seen her influence
Berelain in a bad way yet.

She showed up against Berelain's order; she tried to destroy Suroth's
free pass. Among other things. The argument has been around since she

possibly betrayed knowledge of what Cadsuane's vileness is when she
should have been befuddled in ignorance as Merana was.

Post by Sydo Zandstra

6.Demandred is using more than one proxy and is involved on several
fronts. He is fiddling with Masema, has ties with Taim and the
Whitecloaks. He is the Forsaken that Perrin will have to deal with before
all is said and done.

Definitely. Although, after having read the Prologue, I suspect that the
remaining Whitecloaks will fight for the side of Light. After all, Galad
does what is right, without putting his own interests on the forefront. I
suspect he will realize he will have to support Rand at some point...
BTW, Weiramon is one of Demandred's proxies...

7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.

Sad Bracelets, eh? Considering how much RJ has become in a rush, my guess is
that Semirhage will be stilled in a huge backlash, right after she put them
on Rand. In other words, the Sad Bracelets will backfire on her. RJ will
explain this by stating that rand is the DR, and Ta'veren too.

I think it could be as easy as Semirhage underestimating the
dual flow of the bracelets, donning one and then taking some
of her pleasure. She'll find herself locked in a cycle of
pain and pleasure that might just send her over the mental edge.

However Mat is the one ot take her out as he has the medallion
and Tuon is his sweetie.

Post by Sydo Zandstra

8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.

They are too far away from each other, in plot and space. Mat will probably
do it. Maybe after slowing it for a few seconds and then ram the medallion
down its throat.

If Cadsuane goes with Rand or goes after him, she will be in Ebou Dar.
Where Mat and Tuon are possibly heading back to. At the least Mat is
a couple of days journey from Ebou Dar. They are quite possibly going
to be cheek to jowl quite soon.

Post by Sydo Zandstra
1. Mesaana is not a sister in the White Tower. She is that first maid Egwene
got (the one Sheriam sent, I don't have the name at hand right now), and
she's been working with Halima.
2. The whole Perrin-Sevanna-Faile plot will be resolved, by Perrin being
able to show he's a blacksmith, and therefore being unvulnerable to Sevanna,
who will try to hurt him anyway, and loses her leadership because even
Shaido honour some laws.

I'm thinking a drugging. Maybe even forkroot since the Seanchan
are involved.

Post by Sydo Zandstra
3. I always had a theory that the Tinkers finding the Song would be crucial
to save Rand's sanity at some point. I based that on how many Aiel tried to
soothe Male Aes Sedai by singing to them while they wrought destruction
(It's in Rand's travel through the colums in Rhuidean, in tSR). Now that
Saidin has been cleansed, it would be possible for Rand to be affected by
something like that, since he's not completely mad.
However, I suspect this is one of the plot threads Jordan has dropped.

Among many.

---
JSH

[Sydo Zandstra]

Post by j***@cub.kcnet.org

Post by Sydo Zandstra
I'll comment on some of John's pet theories, and add mine below.

So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate book
rolls around? Looney or not so looney.
1.Leane, reformed BA member. I had thought Jordan was going in this
direction in TFOH and then it seemed to disappear. ALviarin's pov seemed
to diminish this idea of not fully destroy it. The KOD prologue though
brought it back.

I highly doubt that. Could you tell me what makes you think that? I know
you've been focusing on AS more than most here, so point out what clues I
missed, please...

The major clue is that someone made sure Siuan never got messages
from Moiraine. The Keeper is the best one to do that. Leane is
unique in that she has eyes-and-ears in Tar Valon. Might be a hint
that she has ties to Shadowfriends network in the city. Her comments
to Min in TFOh about donning a mask that she felt could never come off
but now finds it is coming off. Her changing Ajahs -- if she was a
reformed
BA, the last place she would want to be is in the one Ajah she knows
most
likely has BA in it and might even have one or two she is aware of as
such.
The biggest hurdle was the coup. The KOD prologue leaves a small
opening.
I always thought that Jordan started and then dropped this. but the
fact
remains that someone was able to get between Siuan and Moiraine. Leane
was trusted to some degree so she might have been able to intercept
these
messages.

I don't think I recall reading about the messages that didn't get through.
It's been a long time since I read any of the books though. Since I picked
up New Spring: The Novel in a used book store recently, maybe I'll start
another reread, at least up until LoC, since I have those in paperback
still, and obviously the part you mentioned should be somewhere early in the
story.

Thanks.

Post by j***@cub.kcnet.org

Post by Sydo Zandstra

3.Annoura is Black Ajah.

I have always been a fan of Berelain. She's a capable ruler, who works with
what she has available (most of the time her batting eyelashes). I wonder
what makes you think Annoura is Black. I don't think I've seen her influence
Berelain in a bad way yet.

She showed up against Berelain's order; she tried to destroy Suroth's
free pass. Among other things. The argument has been around since she
possibly betrayed knowledge of what Cadsuane's vileness is when she
should have been befuddled in ignorance as Merana was.

Could be. I put that under the AS do whatever they like anyway, if they can
wriggle their Oaths around not being able to do so....

<snip Demandred>

Post by j***@cub.kcnet.org

Post by Sydo Zandstra

7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.

Sad Bracelets, eh? Considering how much RJ has become in a rush, my guess is
that Semirhage will be stilled in a huge backlash, right after she put them
on Rand. In other words, the Sad Bracelets will backfire on her. RJ will
explain this by stating that rand is the DR, and Ta'veren too.

I think it could be as easy as Semirhage underestimating the
dual flow of the bracelets, donning one and then taking some
of her pleasure. She'll find herself locked in a cycle of
pain and pleasure that might just send her over the mental edge.
However Mat is the one ot take her out as he has the medallion
and Tuon is his sweetie.

Post by Sydo Zandstra

8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.

They are too far away from each other, in plot and space. Mat will probably
do it. Maybe after slowing it for a few seconds and then ram the medallion
down its throat.

If Cadsuane goes with Rand or goes after him, she will be in Ebou Dar.
Where Mat and Tuon are possibly heading back to. At the least Mat is
a couple of days journey from Ebou Dar. They are quite possibly going
to be cheek to jowl quite soon.

Although I'd expect this meeting to take place on more 'neutral' ground
(possibly somewhere near or in Illian), I could see that happen. It's still
in the same area where Mat is heading to, and I wouldn't be surprised seeing
The Band of the Red Hand show up. They were heading for Lugard, after all.

Post by j***@cub.kcnet.org

Post by Sydo Zandstra
1. Mesaana is not a sister in the White Tower. She is that first maid Egwene
got (the one Sheriam sent, I don't have the name at hand right now), and
she's been working with Halima.

I looked it up. Chesa: the one maid that didn't get killed by Halima.

Post by j***@cub.kcnet.org

Post by Sydo Zandstra
2. The whole Perrin-Sevanna-Faile plot will be resolved, by Perrin being
able to show he's a blacksmith, and therefore being unvulnerable to Sevanna,
who will try to hurt him anyway, and loses her leadership because even
Shaido honour some laws.

I'm thinking a drugging. Maybe even forkroot since the Seanchan
are involved.

By using the aqueduct?

Anyway, part of why I think it will be like I described is that it will
probably end the choosing between Axe and Hammer plotline for Perrin. The
Hammer would be the key to rescuing Faile, where the Axe couldn't get him
close to her.

Of course there'd still be some channelers to deal with... Could they have a
big enough supply of forkroot?

[j***@cub.kcnet.org]

Post by Sydo Zandstra

Post by j***@cub.kcnet.org

Post by Sydo Zandstra
I'll comment on some of John's pet theories, and add mine below.

So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate book
rolls around? Looney or not so looney.
1.Leane, reformed BA member. I had thought Jordan was going in this
direction in TFOH and then it seemed to disappear. ALviarin's pov seemed
to diminish this idea of not fully destroy it. The KOD prologue though
brought it back.

I highly doubt that. Could you tell me what makes you think that? I know
you've been focusing on AS more than most here, so point out what clues I
missed, please...

The major clue is that someone made sure Siuan never got messages
from Moiraine. The Keeper is the best one to do that. Leane is
unique in that she has eyes-and-ears in Tar Valon. Might be a hint
that she has ties to Shadowfriends network in the city. Her comments
to Min in TFOh about donning a mask that she felt could never come off
but now finds it is coming off. Her changing Ajahs -- if she was a
reformed
BA, the last place she would want to be is in the one Ajah she knows
most
likely has BA in it and might even have one or two she is aware of as
such.
The biggest hurdle was the coup. The KOD prologue leaves a small
opening.
I always thought that Jordan started and then dropped this. but the
fact
remains that someone was able to get between Siuan and Moiraine. Leane
was trusted to some degree so she might have been able to intercept
these
messages.

I don't think I recall reading about the messages that didn't get through.
It's been a long time since I read any of the books though. Since I picked
up New Spring: The Novel in a used book store recently, maybe I'll start
another reread, at least up until LoC, since I have those in paperback
still, and obviously the part you mentioned should be somewhere early in the
story.
Thanks.

Off the top of my head, Moiraine sends messages to Siuan
detailing the possible plot to free Taim. Yet Siuan's only and
last message from Tear is right after Rand has drawn Callandor.
The fact that at least one known message deals with a BA plot
suggests the message is intercepted by BA and not just Elaida
looking for evidence.


[snip rest]

----
JSH

[Jeremy C. Ellis]

Post by Sydo Zandstra
2. The whole Perrin-Sevanna-Faile plot will be resolved, by Perrin being
able to show he's a blacksmith, and therefore being unvulnerable to Sevanna,
who will try to hurt him anyway, and loses her leadership because even
Shaido honour some laws.

Ooh. This is good. I like this, a lot.

Somehow I don't think he'll do it on purpose, though. He'll discover his
"invincibility" early on, perhaps on his way to poison the water, and
shift the plan. That way he doesn't have to hurt the Wise Ones.

Regardless, cheers to you for that one.

[David Chapman]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

The Dark One will be defeated when Rand kills Luc/Isam at Shayol Ghul.

Loonify away.

[Mike]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

1. Because of her warning of the impending Seanchan attack, the Tower
AS will realize she can enter Teleranhriod and shield her dreams - the
same weave AS's use to shield their dreams from others will also
prevent Egwene from raching T*.

2. The Tower AS will try to break Egwene using the Chair of Remorse
which will give her control over the punisher via the ter'angreal
chairs associatation with Teleranrhiod.

-OR- while under the grips of the Chair o Remorse, she will not be able
to free herself, but Perrin will happen along and help her, causing her
to be flustered about having to accept a *man*'s help.

[Lorfarius]

Post by Mike
-OR- while under the grips of the Chair o Remorse, she will not be able
to free herself, but Perrin will happen along and help her, causing her
to be flustered about having to accept a *man*'s help.

Which will then no doubt lead to lots of braid tugging.

[Rajiv Mote]

Post by Lorfarius

Post by Mike
-OR- while under the grips of the Chair o Remorse, she will not be able
to free herself, but Perrin will happen along and help her, causing her
to be flustered about having to accept a *man*'s help.

Which will then no doubt lead to lots of braid tugging.

Unless the man who happens along and saves her is GAWYN. Who will walk
barefoot across shattered glass to save her, according to prophecy
(with a lower-case 'p').

[Dan Weiner]

Post by Lorfarius

Post by Mike
-OR- while under the grips of the Chair o Remorse, she will not be able
to free herself, but Perrin will happen along and help her, causing her
to be flustered about having to accept a *man*'s help.

Which will then no doubt lead to lots of braid tugging.

Egwene doesn't wear a braid. But I'm sure she'll smooth her white
skirts a lot, and feel automatically for the ring that isn't there.

[Davian]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

*snip to piggybacked message*

One of my theories I'd like to see proven...

I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway will
kill them.


As a side theory to this, a bit more loony...

I think this is the way the Gholam will be killed. Mat's amulet will be used
to corner it and force it to step through a Gateway, where it is destroyed.

[Robert Mee]

Post by Davian

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

*snip to piggybacked message*
One of my theories I'd like to see proven...
I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway will
kill them.
As a side theory to this, a bit more loony...
I think this is the way the Gholam will be killed. Mat's amulet will be used
to corner it and force it to step through a Gateway, where it is destroyed.

I think that the Shadowspawn being unable to be Gated doesn't work.
Didn't Rand fight Trollocs and such in the Stone of Tear? How did they
get there if not by Gateway? The Waygate of Tear is outside the
(current) city... in the middle of horse pasture. Though I would think
it might just be a way to kill a Gholam.

[Davian]

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian
*snip to piggybacked message*
One of my theories I'd like to see proven...
I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway will
kill them.
As a side theory to this, a bit more loony...
I think this is the way the Gholam will be killed. Mat's amulet will be used
to corner it and force it to step through a Gateway, where it is destroyed.

I think that the Shadowspawn being unable to be Gated doesn't work.
Didn't Rand fight Trollocs and such in the Stone of Tear? How did they
get there if not by Gateway? The Waygate of Tear is outside the
(current) city... in the middle of horse pasture. Though I would think
it might just be a way to kill a Gholam.

That would be exactly the reason I think they can't be gated.

According to Lan, the Trollocs and Fades in the Stone of Tear entered in (at
least) two ways. They snuck in through grain barges that tied up at the
Stone's docks. ("Apparently nobody thought to question why loaded grain barges
would be coming *downriver* from Carhein. At nightfall they threw open their
hatches and trollocs poured out." The other way was in a caravan supposedly
bringing a Tarien lord's belongings back to the Stone. When they drew the
canvas back covering the wagons, they were packed with Trollocs and Fades
instead.

This was a Forsaken ordered attack. They could easily have opened Gateways to
drop the Trollocs inside by surprise, yet both Semirhage and Sammael chose to
spend extra effort to sneak them in instead. At one point in the series, Rand
even wonders why none of the Forsaken opens a Gateway and drops 10,000
trollocs on him. Comments that if that ever happened, even Aiel would be
unlikely to be able to protect him.

But instead, the Forsaken are still sneaking Shadowspawn through the Ways.
Even though it is a rough passage that wastes some of their soldiers and takes
*much* longer than Travelling. Why bother, if they could just Travel?
Several of the Forsaken were supposed to be great military leaders of their
time. It took both Mat and Gareth Bryne mere minutes to determine the
military advantages of instantaneous Travel. It would be author induced
stupidity on a grand level to say that the Forsaken don't realize the same
thing. Yet they don't take advantage of it.

Also, the Forsaken have shown that they're not above opening Gateways to drop
assassins on "the good guys". One of them (most likely Sammael) gated in a
group of Aiel in an attempt to assassinate Mat. I note that in that singular
attempt, only Darkfriends were used. No Shadowspawn were included in that
attack.

Like I said, it's only a theory... but it's one of my pet ones. IMO, the
series makes much more sense that way.

[Robert Mee]

Post by Davian

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian
*snip to piggybacked message*
One of my theories I'd like to see proven...
I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway

will

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian
kill them.
As a side theory to this, a bit more loony...
I think this is the way the Gholam will be killed. Mat's amulet will be

used

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian
to corner it and force it to step through a Gateway, where it is

destroyed.

Post by Robert Mee
I think that the Shadowspawn being unable to be Gated doesn't work.
Didn't Rand fight Trollocs and such in the Stone of Tear? How did they
get there if not by Gateway? The Waygate of Tear is outside the
(current) city... in the middle of horse pasture. Though I would think
it might just be a way to kill a Gholam.

That would be exactly the reason I think they can't be gated.
According to Lan, the Trollocs and Fades in the Stone of Tear entered in (at
least) two ways. They snuck in through grain barges that tied up at the
Stone's docks. ("Apparently nobody thought to question why loaded grain barges
would be coming *downriver* from Carhein. At nightfall they threw open their
hatches and trollocs poured out." The other way was in a caravan supposedly
bringing a Tarien lord's belongings back to the Stone. When they drew the
canvas back covering the wagons, they were packed with Trollocs and Fades
instead.
This was a Forsaken ordered attack. They could easily have opened Gateways to
drop the Trollocs inside by surprise, yet both Semirhage and Sammael chose to
spend extra effort to sneak them in instead. At one point in the series, Rand
even wonders why none of the Forsaken opens a Gateway and drops 10,000
trollocs on him. Comments that if that ever happened, even Aiel would be
unlikely to be able to protect him.
But instead, the Forsaken are still sneaking Shadowspawn through the Ways.
Even though it is a rough passage that wastes some of their soldiers and takes
*much* longer than Travelling. Why bother, if they could just Travel?
Several of the Forsaken were supposed to be great military leaders of their
time. It took both Mat and Gareth Bryne mere minutes to determine the
military advantages of instantaneous Travel. It would be author induced
stupidity on a grand level to say that the Forsaken don't realize the same
thing. Yet they don't take advantage of it.
Also, the Forsaken have shown that they're not above opening Gateways to drop
assassins on "the good guys". One of them (most likely Sammael) gated in a
group of Aiel in an attempt to assassinate Mat. I note that in that singular
attempt, only Darkfriends were used. No Shadowspawn were included in that
attack.
Like I said, it's only a theory... but it's one of my pet ones. IMO, the
series makes much more sense that way.

I bow to your more in-depth reading than mine. I either have not yet
reread that (possible) or I've misread it (also possible). I would be
interested in considering WHY Shadowspawn cannot be transported by
Gateway then.

[Matt Schroeder]

Post by Robert Mee
I bow to your more in-depth reading than mine. I either have not yet
reread that (possible) or I've misread it (also possible). I would be
interested in considering WHY Shadowspawn cannot be transported by
Gateway then.

My personal bias is towards Fades not being able to use a gateway as
they don't exist fully in the "real" world. Trollocs without Fades are
a pretty dicey deal and not likely to do much of anything, at least
anything useful.

cheers,
matt.

[Jeremy C. Ellis]

Post by Davian

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian
I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway
will kill them.

I think that the Shadowspawn being unable to be Gated doesn't work.
Didn't Rand fight Trollocs and such in the Stone of Tear? How did they
get there if not by Gateway? The Waygate of Tear is outside the
(current) city... in the middle of horse pasture. Though I would think
it might just be a way to kill a Gholam.

That would be exactly the reason I think they can't be gated.
*snip*
Also, the Forsaken have shown that they're not above opening Gateways to drop
assassins on "the good guys". One of them (most likely Sammael) gated in a
group of Aiel in an attempt to assassinate Mat. I note that in that singular
attempt, only Darkfriends were used. No Shadowspawn were included in that
attack.

In case you haven't seen it, I show you the relevant points from a
Question of the Week (http://www.tor.com/jordan/questions.html)

------

Week 14 question submitted by: Alexander
Hometown: Moscow, Russia

Question:

Military strategy in the War of Power must have been odd, indeed. How do
the concepts of capturing and holding territory even make sense in a
world where forces can Travel?

Robert Jordan Answers:

Good question, though not all of the forces involved could use gateways.
(Rafo! Rafo!) . . .

------

One could take that to just mean Myrddraal, but it could also mean any
number of "forces." Regardless, I think there might be merit to this theory.

[Davian]

Post by Jeremy C. Ellis
In case you haven't seen it, I show you the relevant points from a
Question of the Week (http://www.tor.com/jordan/questions.html)
------
Week 14 question submitted by: Alexander
Hometown: Moscow, Russia

I hadn't seen that particular one. (Have only infrequently read the page.)

Thanks.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Jeremy C. Ellis

Post by Davian
Also, the Forsaken have shown that they're not above opening Gateways to drop
assassins on "the good guys". One of them (most likely Sammael) gated in a
group of Aiel in an attempt to assassinate Mat. I note that in that singular
attempt, only Darkfriends were used. No Shadowspawn were included in that
attack.

In case you haven't seen it, I show you the relevant points from a
Question of the Week (http://www.tor.com/jordan/questions.html)
------
Week 14 question submitted by: Alexander
Hometown: Moscow, Russia
Military strategy in the War of Power must have been odd, indeed. How do
the concepts of capturing and holding territory even make sense in a
world where forces can Travel?
Good question, though not all of the forces involved could use gateways.
(Rafo! Rafo!) . . .
------
One could take that to just mean Myrddraal, but it could also mean any
number of "forces." Regardless, I think there might be merit to this theory.

It would be dangerous to Gate into a region heavily occupied by your enemies, so
capturing territories would still be important.

Suggested strategy: Open a Gateway into your enemy's capital city, fire missiles
through the Gateway.

Would it be possible to Ward a key building (such as the Hall of the Servants) to
block the formation of Gateways?

[Paul Lints]

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

*snip to piggybacked message*
One of my theories I'd like to see proven...
I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway will
kill them.
As a side theory to this, a bit more loony...
I think this is the way the Gholam will be killed. Mat's amulet will be used
to corner it and force it to step through a Gateway, where it is destroyed.

I think that the Shadowspawn being unable to be Gated doesn't work.
Didn't Rand fight Trollocs and such in the Stone of Tear? How did they
get there if not by Gateway? The Waygate of Tear is outside the
(current) city... in the middle of horse pasture.

They came in on grain barges. It's stated explicitly in the book. If
they Traveled, it would have been simpler for Sammael and Semhirage to
just Gate them right into the Stone.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Davian

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

*snip to piggybacked message*
One of my theories I'd like to see proven...
I think Shadowspawn (not Forsaken / Darkfriends, just creations by the
Shadow) are unable to Travel or Skim. Putting them through a Gateway will
kill them.

Why does going through a Gateway kill them?

[Jamie Bowden]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

I have a theory that Jordan is still pulling numbers out of his ass
claiming numbers of remaining books.

Jamie Bowden

[Jasper Janssen]

Post by Jamie Bowden

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

I have a theory that Jordan is still pulling numbers out of his ass
claiming numbers of remaining books.

I was going to respond that he was looking for *looney* theories, not
almost-certainly-true theories, but is seems he wasn't. Ah well.


Jasper

[Brinner]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

<snip>

Post by John Hamby
3.Annoura is Black Ajah.

Any reason?

Post by John Hamby
4. Cyndane is Lanfear in Cabriana's body. Cyndane is weaker because
Lanfear somehow was able to inflate her OP strength through a wish or
the DO.

I'm thinking that shes been stilled and then healed by a woman,
possibly a black sister with the SAS.

Post by John Hamby
5.Moiraine is not coming back in the series. It will be hinted that she
is the next quest for Thom and Mat perhaps.

I'm 99.9999% sure Moiraine will be back. In one of Mins POV's she says
that Rand will almost certainly fail without her. Maybe Thom will find
out where she is from a captured Cyndane??

Post by John Hamby
6.Demandred is using more than one proxy and is involved on several
fronts. He is fiddling with Masema, has ties with Taim and the
Whitecloaks. He is the Forsaken that Perrin will have to deal with
before all is said and done.

I still think Taim's not a DF.

Post by John Hamby
7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.

I'd say Mat will kill her, after getting back to Ebou Dar with Tuon and
finding a fake Tuon.

Post by John Hamby
8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.

Mat will.

Post by John Hamby
9.The sisters in Camelyn are Cadsuane's and they have been trying to
organize the fence-sitters who will play a pivotal role in determining
which faction comes out on top in the White Tower.

Makes sense.

Post by John Hamby
That's about it just off the top of my head.
Get your claim to "knowing it all" before the spoilers start hitting the
group.

My pet theory is that Padan Fain is going to kill Rand at TG spilling
his blood on the rocks on SG, Elayne/Aviendha/Alivia will then Balefire
the bejesus out of him, bringing Rand back to life in time to knit up
the whole in the DO's prison with the Choedan Kal.


Brinner

[David Israel]

Post by Brinner

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

<snip>

Post by John Hamby
3.Annoura is Black Ajah.

Any reason?

Post by John Hamby
4. Cyndane is Lanfear in Cabriana's body. Cyndane is weaker because
Lanfear somehow was able to inflate her OP strength through a wish or
the DO.

I'm thinking that shes been stilled and then healed by a woman,
possibly a black sister with the SAS.

Post by John Hamby
5.Moiraine is not coming back in the series. It will be hinted that she
is the next quest for Thom and Mat perhaps.

I'm 99.9999% sure Moiraine will be back. In one of Mins POV's she says
that Rand will almost certainly fail without her. Maybe Thom will find
out where she is from a captured Cyndane??

Post by John Hamby
6.Demandred is using more than one proxy and is involved on several
fronts. He is fiddling with Masema, has ties with Taim and the
Whitecloaks. He is the Forsaken that Perrin will have to deal with
before all is said and done.

I still think Taim's not a DF.

Post by John Hamby
7.Rand is somehow going to make Semirhage weep. Mat though will be the
one to kill her.

I'd say Mat will kill her, after getting back to Ebou Dar with Tuon and
finding a fake Tuon.

Post by John Hamby
8.Cadsuane and Mat will somehow destroy the gholam using their nifty
secret medallions.

Mat will.

Post by John Hamby
9.The sisters in Camelyn are Cadsuane's and they have been trying to
organize the fence-sitters who will play a pivotal role in determining
which faction comes out on top in the White Tower.

Makes sense.

Post by John Hamby
That's about it just off the top of my head.
Get your claim to "knowing it all" before the spoilers start hitting the
group.

My pet theory is that Padan Fain is going to kill Rand at TG spilling
his blood on the rocks on SG, Elayne/Aviendha/Alivia will then Balefire
the bejesus out of him, bringing Rand back to life in time to knit up
the whole in the DO's prison with the Choedan Kal.
Brinner

I am your average silent lurker, but I just gotta ask. Why does
everybody assume that the fact that Rand must bleed (have his blood
spilled) during that last battle - implies that he will actually die?
Can't he just be wounded?
A wound by Fain may actually "magically" counter the original one
somehow and heal it.

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by David Israel
I am your average silent lurker, but I just gotta ask. Why does
everybody assume that the fact that Rand must bleed (have his blood
spilled) during that last battle - implies that he will actually die?
Can't he just be wounded?
A wound by Fain may actually "magically" counter the original one
somehow and heal it.

Two things:

1. Learn to snip. There was no need to quote the entire original post.
Something along the lines of : <anip lots of theories prior to KoD>
would've been nice.

2. Padan Fain has already wounded Rand, and in the same place tha
Ishamael did. It is mentioned more than once that the wounds seem to be
"fighting each other" and that no change was seen in the wounds after
the cleansing, although Rand clearly expected some now that Mashadar
and the Taint are gone.

[t***@rci.rogers.com]

Post by David Israel
I am your average silent lurker, but I just gotta ask. Why does
everybody assume that the fact that Rand must bleed (have his blood
spilled) during that last battle - implies that he will actually die?
Can't he just be wounded?

I always took this to mean that Elayne would give birth to the
twins...aka Rand's 'blood'...at SG.




Todd

[Jason Burrone]

Post by Brinner
My pet theory is that Padan Fain is going to kill Rand at TG spilling
his blood on the rocks on SG, Elayne/Aviendha/Alivia will then Balefire
the bejesus out of him, bringing Rand back to life in time to knit up
the whole in the DO's prison with the Choedan Kal.
Brinner

I will rip up my copy of the final book if this happens. Then I will
go buy another copy so I can finish the book. Not the best protest,
but one nonetheless. This I promise.

Jason

[Willem Siemelink]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

My pet theory is that Thom will enter the doorway ter'angeal from Ruidian
and meet Moraine there. She is being held by the Aelfinn and he rescues her
by breaking the rules.

Willem.

[Dan Weiner]

Post by Willem Siemelink
My pet theory is that Thom will enter the doorway ter'angeal from Ruidian
and meet Moraine there. She is being held by the Aelfinn and he rescues her
by breaking the rules.

Sorry to destroy your pet theory, but that doorway melted in a fire.

--D

[w***@siemelink.net]

Post by Dan Weiner

Post by Willem Siemelink
My pet theory is that Thom will enter the doorway ter'angeal from Ruidian
and meet Moraine there. She is being held by the Aelfinn and he rescues her
by breaking the rules.

Sorry to destroy your pet theory, but that doorway melted in a fire.
--D

Ah yes, I meant to write the doorway from Tear. Or that funny tower
that Perrin didn't enter because Brigitte warned him not to.

Willem.

[Jason Burrone]

Post by w***@siemelink.net

Post by Dan Weiner

Post by Willem Siemelink
My pet theory is that Thom will enter the doorway ter'angeal from Ruidian
and meet Moraine there. She is being held by the Aelfinn and he rescues her
by breaking the rules.

Sorry to destroy your pet theory, but that doorway melted in a fire.
--D

Ah yes, I meant to write the doorway from Tear. Or that funny tower
that Perrin didn't enter because Brigitte warned him not to.
Willem.

I declare inappropriate use of the term "pet theory."

What next... who has a pet theory that the Seanchan are going to attack
the tower?

Jason

[Dan Weiner]

Post by Jason Burrone

Post by w***@siemelink.net

Post by Dan Weiner

Post by Willem Siemelink
My pet theory is that Thom will enter the doorway ter'angeal from Ruidian
and meet Moraine there. She is being held by the Aelfinn and he rescues her
by breaking the rules.

Sorry to destroy your pet theory, but that doorway melted in a fire.
--D

Ah yes, I meant to write the doorway from Tear. Or that funny tower
that Perrin didn't enter because Brigitte warned him not to.
Willem.

I declare inappropriate use of the term "pet theory."
What next... who has a pet theory that the Seanchan are going to attack
the tower?
Jason

Willem: This is a pretty widely accepted theory.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Willem Siemelink

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

My pet theory is that Thom will enter the doorway ter'angeal from Ruidian
and meet Moraine there. She is being held by the Aelfinn and he rescues her
by breaking the rules.

Wasn't that ter'angreal destroyed?

[Geoffrey Willmore]

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

One small idea I had after reading the publicly-available excerpt of the KoD
prologue. So;

Warning, SPOILERS until the end of the first part of the KoD prologue.








Galad has some heavy heredity, he knows how to get to the Oneness... What
about a Lord Captain Commander who can channel? Very unlikely, but it would
be fun...

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by Geoffrey Willmore

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

One small idea I had after reading the publicly-available excerpt of the KoD
prologue. So;
Warning, SPOILERS until the end of the first part of the KoD prologue.
Galad has some heavy heredity, he knows how to get to the Oneness... What
about a Lord Captain Commander who can channel? Very unlikely, but it would
be fun...

The Oneness, or The Void and The Flame, or however you want to call it
has nothing to do with channeling. It's simply a mean for reaching a
state of calmness, which is something necessary for channeling.

OTOH, Galad is most certainly not a sparker. He should've shown some
signs by now if that was the case. Given his genetic inheritance, he
_may_ be able to channel, but since he's not a sparker, he won't do
unless he tries, something *VERY* unlikely to happen.

[Paul Lints]

Post by Antonio Contreras

Post by Geoffrey Willmore

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

One small idea I had after reading the publicly-available excerpt of the KoD
prologue. So;
Warning, SPOILERS until the end of the first part of the KoD prologue.
Galad has some heavy heredity, he knows how to get to the Oneness... What
about a Lord Captain Commander who can channel? Very unlikely, but it would
be fun...

The Oneness, or The Void and The Flame, or however you want to call it
has nothing to do with channeling. It's simply a mean for reaching a
state of calmness, which is something necessary for channeling.
OTOH, Galad is most certainly not a sparker. He should've shown some
signs by now if that was the case. Given his genetic inheritance, he
_may_ be able to channel, but since he's not a sparker, he won't do
unless he tries, something *VERY* unlikely to happen.

Why couldn't Galad be a sparker? Mentally I have him somewhere around
28 years old (perhaps younger), and males have been described as
sparking as late as 30.

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by Paul Lints

Post by Antonio Contreras

Post by Geoffrey Willmore

Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

One small idea I had after reading the publicly-available excerpt of the KoD
prologue. So;
Warning, SPOILERS until the end of the first part of the KoD prologue.
Galad has some heavy heredity, he knows how to get to the Oneness... What
about a Lord Captain Commander who can channel? Very unlikely, but it would
be fun...

The Oneness, or The Void and The Flame, or however you want to call it
has nothing to do with channeling. It's simply a mean for reaching a
state of calmness, which is something necessary for channeling.
OTOH, Galad is most certainly not a sparker. He should've shown some
signs by now if that was the case. Given his genetic inheritance, he
_may_ be able to channel, but since he's not a sparker, he won't do
unless he tries, something *VERY* unlikely to happen.

Why couldn't Galad be a sparker? Mentally I have him somewhere around
28 years old (perhaps younger), and males have been described as
sparking as late as 30.

I thought men sparked at 25 at most. He's older than that so I ruled
the possibility out. If what you say is correct then, yes, it's
possible for him to be a sparker. However, this is a plot turning I
wouldn't like in the least. After many books not hearing from him, and
even more books before that where he didn't do much, he's finally done
something useful. If he sparks right now he will be slaughtered by his
men, or commit sucide (because it's the right thing to do). Not that I
have much hope for this character, but I would like him taking some
part in the final battle.

[Paul Lints]

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Post by John Hamby
So what theories do you still have investment in, as the penultimate
book rolls around? Looney or not so looney.

One small idea I had after reading the publicly-available excerpt of the KoD
prologue. So;
Warning, SPOILERS until the end of the first part of the KoD prologue.
Galad has some heavy heredity, he knows how to get to the Oneness... What
about a Lord Captain Commander who can channel? Very unlikely, but it would
be fun...

The Oneness, or The Void and The Flame, or however you want to call it
has nothing to do with channeling. It's simply a mean for reaching a
state of calmness, which is something necessary for channeling.
OTOH, Galad is most certainly not a sparker. He should've shown some
signs by now if that was the case. Given his genetic inheritance, he
_may_ be able to channel, but since he's not a sparker, he won't do
unless he tries, something *VERY* unlikely to happen.

Why couldn't Galad be a sparker? Mentally I have him somewhere around
28 years old (perhaps younger), and males have been described as
sparking as late as 30.

I thought men sparked at 25 at most. He's older than that so I ruled
the possibility out. If what you say is correct then, yes, it's
possible for him to be a sparker. However, this is a plot turning I
wouldn't like in the least. After many books not hearing from him, and
even more books before that where he didn't do much, he's finally done
something useful. If he sparks right now he will be slaughtered by his
men, or commit sucide (because it's the right thing to do). Not that I
have much hope for this character, but I would like him taking some
part in the final battle.

Have you read the KoD prologue? It's not a given that he would be
slaughtered by his men, or commit suicide.

[Antonio Contreras]

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The Oneness, or The Void and The Flame, or however you want to call it
has nothing to do with channeling. It's simply a mean for reaching a
state of calmness, which is something necessary for channeling.
OTOH, Galad is most certainly not a sparker. He should've shown some
signs by now if that was the case. Given his genetic inheritance, he
_may_ be able to channel, but since he's not a sparker, he won't do
unless he tries, something *VERY* unlikely to happen.

Why couldn't Galad be a sparker? Mentally I have him somewhere around
28 years old (perhaps younger), and males have been described as
sparking as late as 30.

I thought men sparked at 25 at most. He's older than that so I ruled
the possibility out. If what you say is correct then, yes, it's
possible for him to be a sparker. However, this is a plot turning I
wouldn't like in the least. After many books not hearing from him, and
even more books before that where he didn't do much, he's finally done
something useful. If he sparks right now he will be slaughtered by his
men, or commit sucide (because it's the right thing to do). Not that I
have much hope for this character, but I would like him taking some
part in the final battle.

Have you read the KoD prologue? It's not a given that he would be
slaughtered by his men, or commit suicide.

Yes I have. But I still believe that one thing is fighting alongside
Asha'man and Aes Sedai, because "to fight the raven you will side with
the snake" (or something close to that) and another totally different
thing is them having a channeler as their Grand Captain General.

Maybe they would not kill him, despite the fact that the Children think
that the OP is the source of all evil. Maybe he would not commit
suicide, but I find this less likely, after all he doesn't know that
Saidin has been cleansed and so he thinks he will go mad and cause
great destruction. I think he would do the right thing and kill
himself.

But, even if he is not killed by his men, or he does not kill himself,
at the very least, he would be ostracized. I simply can't see the
Children directed by a channeler. And I can't see Galad not telling
them that he can channel.