Tamyrlin Ring = sa'angreal

[Robert E]

I cannot remember the book, but Lanfear tells Rand that Callandor is
the 3rd most powerful sa'angreal made for men, with the Choedan Kal
being the first. I've always believed that RJ had her mention it
because it would end up showing up, but since reading the FAQ (2.4.06),
why not have it be the Tamyrlin Ring?

I'm sure it'll be just something more for LTT to cry about.

[Diamond3Bob]

I believe the male and female Choedan Kal were the first and second;
so, I don't see an unaccounted sa angreal. Will Avienda's ability to
identify purposes of sa angreals play a part with the ring?

[Morek]

A tought just ocurred to me...
What would happen if Rand, using Callandor (for lack of a most potent
X´angreal) linked with a large number of ashaman and Aes Sedai, tried
the weave he used in conquering the Stone of Tear and wiped out the
Trollocs? Or would the "weight" (if I´m not mistaken) be too much?
Wouldn´t that kind of help in Tarmon Gaidon, I mean, as far as we
know, most human armies can be put under Rand control, so that leaves
the DO with little to play.
Taking his cannon fodder could be helpfull. Any toughts?

Regards from Brazil!
Morek.

[Robert E]

Post by Morek
A tought just ocurred to me...
What would happen if Rand, using Callandor (for lack of a most potent
X´angreal) linked with a large number of ashaman and Aes Sedai, tried
the weave he used in conquering the Stone of Tear and wiped out the
Trollocs? Or would the "weight" (if I´m not mistaken) be too much?
Wouldn´t that kind of help in Tarmon Gaidon, I mean, as far as we
know, most human armies can be put under Rand control, so that leaves
the DO with little to play.
Taking his cannon fodder could be helpfull. Any toughts?

I think doing just that would be anti-climactic by a far greater
magnitude than Kill Bill ever hoped to be... I would have to kill RJ.

[Legolas]

Post by Robert E

Post by Morek
A tought just ocurred to me...
What would happen if Rand, using Callandor (for lack of a most potent
X´angreal) linked with a large number of ashaman and Aes Sedai, tried
the weave he used in conquering the Stone of Tear and wiped out the
Trollocs? Or would the "weight" (if I´m not mistaken) be too much?
Wouldn´t that kind of help in Tarmon Gaidon, I mean, as far as we
know, most human armies can be put under Rand control, so that leaves
the DO with little to play.
Taking his cannon fodder could be helpfull. Any toughts?

Yes! I'd like to see some HUGE amounts of destruction in that battle,
in proportion of the enemy's attack, which I expect to be TEN TIMES
as huge as what you describe. So even THAT won't be enough !
And all described in detail, if you please.

Post by Robert E
I think doing just that would be anti-climactic by a far greater
magnitude than Kill Bill ever hoped to be... I would have to kill RJ.

Kill Bill was anti-climactic? Damn, you're difficult to please.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Legolas

Post by Morek
A tought just ocurred to me...
What would happen if Rand, using Callandor (for lack of a most potent
X´angreal) linked with a large number of ashaman and Aes Sedai, tried
the weave he used in conquering the Stone of Tear and wiped out the
Trollocs? Or would the "weight" (if I´m not mistaken) be too much?
Wouldn´t that kind of help in Tarmon Gaidon, I mean, as far as we
know, most human armies can be put under Rand control, so that leaves
the DO with little to play.
Taking his cannon fodder could be helpfull. Any toughts?

Yes! I'd like to see some HUGE amounts of destruction in that battle,
in proportion of the enemy's attack, which I expect to be TEN TIMES
as huge as what you describe. So even THAT won't be enough !
And all described in detail, if you please.

I vote for an army of 200 million Trollocs, in line with the Left Behind Series (during which the Anti-Christ sends an
army of 200 million demons to attack Israel!).

[Legolas]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Legolas

Post by Morek
A tought just ocurred to me...
What would happen if Rand, using Callandor (for lack of a most potent
X´angreal) linked with a large number of ashaman and Aes Sedai, tried
the weave he used in conquering the Stone of Tear and wiped out the
Trollocs? Or would the "weight" (if I´m not mistaken) be too much?
Wouldn´t that kind of help in Tarmon Gaidon, I mean, as far as we
know, most human armies can be put under Rand control, so that leaves
the DO with little to play.
Taking his cannon fodder could be helpfull. Any toughts?

Yes! I'd like to see some HUGE amounts of destruction in that battle,
in proportion of the enemy's attack, which I expect to be TEN TIMES
as huge as what you describe. So even THAT won't be enough !
And all described in detail, if you please.

I vote for an army of 200 million Trollocs, in line with the Left Behind
Series (during which the Anti-Christ sends an army of 200 million demons
to attack Israel!).

200 million is impossible. Perhaps 20 million.

Which brings up the following questions:
1) What's Randland's world total human population? I'd say less than 50 million, all included.
2) How are Trollocs made/bred? Are they born? Do they need to grow up? Or is it more like Saruman's Uruk-hai in the movie?

[Robert E]

Post by Diamond3Bob
I believe the male and female Choedan Kal were the first and second;
so, I don't see an unaccounted sa angreal. Will Avienda's ability to
identify purposes of sa angreals play a part with the ring?

If the ring is a sa'angreal there's no need for her to identify it.
And I'll have to go digging, but I was positive when I made the thread
that she specifically stated "for men."

[Morek]

That is what I remember too.
Some even say that Mat´s ring could be the Tamyrlin Ring, but it just
occurred to me that perhaps the most non-obvious place for this ring to
be, and so the most probable one, would be in the Tower of Ghenjei...
Regards from Brazil!
Morek

[r***@yahoo.com]

Post by Morek
That is what I remember too.
Some even say that Mat´s ring could be the Tamyrlin Ring, but it just
occurred to me that perhaps the most non-obvious place for this ring to
be, and so the most probable one, would be in the Tower of Ghenjei...
Regards from Brazil!
Morek

A lot of ado has been made over Lan's ring...

[Dan Weiner]

Post by Morek
That is what I remember too.
Some even say that Mat´s ring could be the Tamyrlin Ring, but it just
occurred to me that perhaps the most non-obvious place for this ring to
be, and so the most probable one, would be in the Tower of Ghenjei...
Regards from Brazil!
Morek

Come on, it's NOT Mat's ring. Mat's ring was carved right before he
bought it. And why would the ring be in the Tower of Ghenjei?

[Morek]

Well, I don´t remember the exact passage about Mat´s ring, but he
bought it from some vendor in the streets, I don´t remember anything
about it being carved right before he bought it...
About the Tower of Ghenjei, why not? Remember that Mat spear and
medallion came from there, so they have items of the OP. They don´t
seem to use it, so the ring wouldn´t be that important to them. And if
I´m not wrong, Tamyrlin is supposed to be the first one to discover
the OP...He could have found the 'finn before that. Whatever, I guess
this fits more a Looney Theory :)
Regards from Brazil!
Morek

[Andrew]

Post by Morek
Well, I don´t remember the exact passage about Mat´s ring, but he
bought it from some vendor in the streets, ...

IIRC, when showing Mat the ring, the vendor said that the ring was made
in the current fashion (i.e. a very long ring -- not a circle gold ring
like the One Ring in the LotR).

-- Andrew Berenson

[Wil Hunt]

Post by Morek
seem to use it, so the ring wouldn´t be that important to them. And if
I´m not wrong, Tamyrlin is supposed to be the first one to discover
the OP...He could have found the 'finn before that. Whatever, I guess

Where'd this come from? Can you provide a citation? I had thought that
the OP had been in used for a long time during the Age of Legends when
the Tamyrlin was around.


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[Morek]

I really can´t give you a quote, but it seems that I have read that in
this newsgroup. I >think< someone mentioned the guide, which I don´t
have....
Hope this helps!
Morek

[Robert E]

Scott Mocklin tells us that the new glossary in To The Blight (vol. 2
of the YA version of TEOTW) has the following entry:

Ring of Tamyrlin (TAHM-ehr-lin): a legendary ring, believed
mythical by most people, worn by the leader of the Aes Sedai during the
Age of Legends. Stories about the Ring of Tamyrlin include that it was
an angreal or sa'angreal or ter'angreal of immense power. It supposedly
was named after the first person to learn how to tap into the Source
and channel the One Power, and in some tales, was actually made by that
man or woman. Despite what many Aes Sedai say, no one knows whether it
was a man or a woman who first learned to channel. Some believe that
the present title of Amyrlin is a corruption of Tamyrlin.

http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/2_nondark/2.4_yore/2.4.06_tamyrlin.html

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Robert E
Scott Mocklin tells us that the new glossary in To The Blight (vol. 2
Ring of Tamyrlin (TAHM-ehr-lin): a legendary ring, believed
mythical by most people, worn by the leader of the Aes Sedai during the
Age of Legends. Stories about the Ring of Tamyrlin include that it was
an angreal or sa'angreal or ter'angreal of immense power. It supposedly
was named after the first person to learn how to tap into the Source
and channel the One Power, and in some tales, was actually made by that
man or woman. Despite what many Aes Sedai say, no one knows whether it
was a man or a woman who first learned to channel. Some believe that
the present title of Amyrlin is a corruption of Tamyrlin.
http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/2_nondark/2.4_yore/2.4.06_tamyrlin.html

I look forward to Robert Jordan writing a book about that First Channeler!
Sadly, the title "First Channel" was used by one Jacqueline Lichtenberg many
years ago for a book in the Sime/Gen series (about people with tentacles on
their arms who kill normal looking people for their life force).

[frenzie]

Post by Morek
Tamyrlin is supposed to be the first one to discover
the OP...He could have found the 'finn before that. Whatever, I guess
this fits more a Looney Theory :)

with regards from elsewhere

can you quote a source for this assumption?

[David Chapman]

Post by frenzie

Post by Morek
Tamyrlin is supposed to be the first one to discover
the OP...

can you quote a source for this assumption?

His ass.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Morek
Well, I don´t remember the exact passage about Mat´s ring, but he
bought it from some vendor in the streets, I don´t remember anything
about it being carved right before he bought it...
About the Tower of Ghenjei, why not? Remember that Mat spear and
medallion came from there, so they have items of the OP. They don´t
seem to use it, so the ring wouldn´t be that important to them. And if
I´m not wrong, Tamyrlin is supposed to be the first one to discover
the OP...He could have found the 'finn before that. Whatever, I guess
this fits more a Looney Theory :)
Regards from Brazil!
Morek

Where does it say that Tamyrlin discovered the OP?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Morek
That is what I remember too.
Some even say that Mat´s ring could be the Tamyrlin Ring, but it just
occurred to me that perhaps the most non-obvious place for this ring to
be, and so the most probable one, would be in the Tower of Ghenjei...

Worn by Moiraine!

[Robert E]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Morek
That is what I remember too.
Some even say that Mat´s ring could be the Tamyrlin Ring, but it just
occurred to me that perhaps the most non-obvious place for this ring to
be, and so the most probable one, would be in the Tower of Ghenjei...

Worn by Moiraine!

Her little forehead gem is the tamyrlin ring!

[moleman]

Post by Robert E
I cannot remember the book, but Lanfear tells Rand that Callandor is
the 3rd most powerful sa'angreal made for men, with the Choedan Kal
being the first. I've always believed that RJ had her mention it
because it would end up showing up, but since reading the FAQ (2.4.06),
why not have it be the Tamyrlin Ring?
I'm sure it'll be just something more for LTT to cry about.

Try this thread out.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan/browse_frm/thread/867f6db049d9cd43/82a096e949570008?tvc=1&q=moleman#82a096e949570008

And I still think that the Ring of the Tamyrlin is Mat's ring.

Peace favor your sword,

Brian

[Robert E]

Post by moleman

Post by Robert E
I cannot remember the book, but Lanfear tells Rand that Callandor is
the 3rd most powerful sa'angreal made for men, with the Choedan Kal
being the first. I've always believed that RJ had her mention it
because it would end up showing up, but since reading the FAQ (2.4.06),
why not have it be the Tamyrlin Ring?
I'm sure it'll be just something more for LTT to cry about.

Try this thread out.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan/browse_frm/thread/867f6db049d9cd43/82a096e949570008?tvc=1&q=moleman#82a096e949570008

Thank you, still supports my claim. Although I would think if he had
hold of that #2 sa'angreal when he commited hari kari, the prologue
would've mentioned it. And the book says; "Once you wore the Ring of
Tamyrlin, and sat in the High Seat.", meaning he wasn't wearing it
anymore.

Post by moleman
And I still think that the Ring of the Tamyrlin is Mat's ring.

Seriously doubtful, since it was made by a random jeweler in Ebou Dar
and the Tamyrlin Ring is "rumoured" to be a ter/sa/angreal.

Post by moleman
Peace favor your sword,
Brian

[frenzie]

too far fetched. the ring is NEW