Faile and her affair

[Eric Carlson]

Ok, Faile, as a means of escaping to her true love Perrin, is going to a little
affair with Rolain (spelling? I don't have my books at my beach house...) as
expressed in COT. Has anyone really discussed how this is going to AFFECT
Perrin? I mean the woman he has been trying for ages to save cheats on him.
Sure she can explain it, but doesn't it leave a seed of doubt or something?
Maybe it will just be best for everyone involved if Faile dies (Quiet Faile
haters...) Any thoughts?
Natsha

It's Rolan. I'm not convinced that she'll end up having an affair,
but maybe this is only because I haven't been reading this list long
enough.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she has one with Rolan. Perrin
might or might not have one with Berelain. When they are finally
reunited, he is meek as a lamb (because he had or nearly had one with
Berelain), then he finds out about her and explodes at her. This, as
we know, makes her as forward as a farmgirl at harvest, and they get a
chance to kiss and make up.

I think RJ has invested too much in the Faile/Perrin relationship to
allow one of them to die. The only way to make their relationship
work, apparently, is to make Perrin really really mad at her, so I
think Rolan might be a plot device for this purpose.

[PJ Beers]

Post by Eric Carlson

Ok, Faile, as a means of escaping to her true love Perrin, is going to a little
affair with Rolain (spelling? I don't have my books at my beach house...) as
expressed in COT. Has anyone really discussed how this is going to AFFECT
Perrin? I mean the woman he has been trying for ages to save cheats on him.
Sure she can explain it, but doesn't it leave a seed of doubt or something?
Maybe it will just be best for everyone involved if Faile dies (Quiet Faile
haters...) Any thoughts?
Natsha

It's Rolan. I'm not convinced that she'll end up having an affair,
but maybe this is only because I haven't been reading this list long
enough.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she has one with Rolan. Perrin
might or might not have one with Berelain. When they are finally
reunited, he is meek as a lamb (because he had or nearly had one with
Berelain), then he finds out about her and explodes at her. This, as
we know, makes her as forward as a farmgirl at harvest, and they get a
chance to kiss and make up.
I think RJ has invested too much in the Faile/Perrin relationship to
allow one of them to die. The only way to make their relationship
work, apparently, is to make Perrin really really mad at her, so I
think Rolan might be a plot device for this purpose.

Or a plot device that will finally throw him in the arms of Berelain.
Because at least Berelain's not such a sneak as Faile is, and acts in the
open. Or less under cover, that is, towards Perrin.

And I think he'd do a lot better with Berelain than with Faile.

PJ

[Keith Lutener]

Post by Eric Carlson

Ok, Faile, as a means of escaping to her true love Perrin, is going to

a little

Post by Eric Carlson

affair with Rolain (spelling? I don't have my books at my beach

house...) as

Post by Eric Carlson

expressed in COT. Has anyone really discussed how this is going to

AFFECT

Post by Eric Carlson

Perrin? I mean the woman he has been trying for ages to save cheats on

him.

Post by Eric Carlson

Sure she can explain it, but doesn't it leave a seed of doubt or

something?

Post by Eric Carlson

Maybe it will just be best for everyone involved if Faile dies (Quiet

Faile

Post by Eric Carlson

haters...) Any thoughts?
Natsha

It's Rolan. I'm not convinced that she'll end up having an affair,
but maybe this is only because I haven't been reading this list long
enough.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she has one with Rolan. Perrin
might or might not have one with Berelain. When they are finally
reunited, he is meek as a lamb (because he had or nearly had one with
Berelain), then he finds out about her and explodes at her. This, as
we know, makes her as forward as a farmgirl at harvest, and they get a
chance to kiss and make up.
I think RJ has invested too much in the Faile/Perrin relationship to
allow one of them to die. The only way to make their relationship
work, apparently, is to make Perrin really really mad at her, so I
think Rolan might be a plot device for this purpose.

Or a plot device that will finally throw him in the arms of Berelain.
Because at least Berelain's not such a sneak as Faile is, and acts in the
open. Or less under cover, that is, towards Perrin.
And I think he'd do a lot better with Berelain than with Faile.
PJ

but min had a vision of berelain falling head over heels with a man dressed
in white, not perrin. so that wouldnt happen

[Davian]

Post by Keith Lutener

Post by PJ Beers
And I think he'd do a lot better with Berelain than with Faile.

but min had a vision of berelain falling head over heels with a man dressed
in white, not perrin. so that wouldnt happen

Not exactly. You added two words to the vision. "Not Perrin." Min saw
her falling for a man dressed all in white. Nowhere in the vision did it
show that the man dressed in white was not Perrin.

As for why he would be dressed that way, as someone else pointed out
semi-recently, in the Two Rivers, dressing in white is funeral attire.

[Loïc Joly]

Post by Keith Lutener

Post by Keith Lutener

Post by PJ Beers
And I think he'd do a lot better with Berelain than with Faile.

but min had a vision of berelain falling head over heels with a man

dressed

Post by Keith Lutener
in white, not perrin. so that wouldnt happen

Not exactly. You added two words to the vision. "Not Perrin." Min saw
her falling for a man dressed all in white. Nowhere in the vision did it
show that the man dressed in white was not Perrin.

But Berelain is already in love with Perrin, so she cannot fall in love
with him in the future.

My personnal guess for this would be Galad, he is a white cloak, so
white is more to him than just a cloth color, and it would fit nicely to
have the most gorgeous man and the most gorgous woman in the world together.

[Eric Carlson]

Post by Loïc Joly
But Berelain is already in love with Perrin, so she cannot fall in love
with him in the future.

I think it is quite a stretch to claim that Berelain is in love with
Perrin. I think she vaguely likes and admires him, but more she
appreciates him as a target for her sexual assaults. She might lust
after him, but I think calling it love is a stretch.

I also think it would be really wimpy for her to have a sudden change
of heart - realizing she is actually in love with him, no longer lust,
shortly after seeing him as gai'shain, but it is possible.

I agree strongly that it is going to be Galad.

[Davian]

Post by Eric Carlson

Post by Loïc Joly
But Berelain is already in love with Perrin, so she cannot fall in love
with him in the future.

I think it is quite a stretch to claim that Berelain is in love with
Perrin. I think she vaguely likes and admires him, but more she
appreciates him as a target for her sexual assaults. She might lust
after him, but I think calling it love is a stretch.

I don't think she's in love with him now. Or at least not "head over
heels".

Post by Eric Carlson
I also think it would be really wimpy for her to have a sudden change
of heart - realizing she is actually in love with him, no longer lust,
shortly after seeing him as gai'shain, but it is possible.

I also don't think it will be that much of a change of heart. In WH, and
more in CoT, Jordan has started redefining her character, giving us a bit
more in-depth look at her real motivations.

And gai'shan does not enter into it. The dressed in white part is due to
him being in mourning, over the death of Faile. If Berelain helps him get
through that, as she is currently helping him get through Faile's
kidnapping, it would go a long way towards making it natural for the two of
them to get together.

I agree that it's very much a longshot, but the reasons I think it is are
more reasons from outside of the story. Jordan has yet to work in
whatever plot point the "Broken Crown" is going to be, between Perrin and
Faile. If Jordan knocks off Faile now, then he has to invent some kind of
reason why Perrin is still the person the Broken Crown applies to, not
Faile's brothers (assuming it's something hereditary). If he doesn't kill
Faile in the Shiado camp, then he'll have to find a way to write a good
rescue for her, then an equally sudden death from some other cause after she
finally gets out. Either way, I think the story would be a bit strained to
make it all work.

Whether it is Perrin or not, I hope it's not Galad. He's one of the least
interesting characters in the entire series, and I'm sort of starting to
like Berelain's character.

[Robert Mee]

Post by Davian

Post by Eric Carlson

Post by Loïc Joly
But Berelain is already in love with Perrin, so she cannot fall in love
with him in the future.

I think it is quite a stretch to claim that Berelain is in love with
Perrin. I think she vaguely likes and admires him, but more she
appreciates him as a target for her sexual assaults. She might lust
after him, but I think calling it love is a stretch.

I don't think she's in love with him now. Or at least not "head over
heels".

Post by Eric Carlson
I also think it would be really wimpy for her to have a sudden change
of heart - realizing she is actually in love with him, no longer lust,
shortly after seeing him as gai'shain, but it is possible.

I also don't think it will be that much of a change of heart. In WH, and
more in CoT, Jordan has started redefining her character, giving us a bit
more in-depth look at her real motivations.
And gai'shan does not enter into it. The dressed in white part is due to
him being in mourning, over the death of Faile. If Berelain helps him get
through that, as she is currently helping him get through Faile's
kidnapping, it would go a long way towards making it natural for the two of
them to get together.
I agree that it's very much a longshot, but the reasons I think it is are
more reasons from outside of the story. Jordan has yet to work in
whatever plot point the "Broken Crown" is going to be, between Perrin and
Faile. If Jordan knocks off Faile now, then he has to invent some kind of
reason why Perrin is still the person the Broken Crown applies to, not
Faile's brothers (assuming it's something hereditary). If he doesn't kill
Faile in the Shiado camp, then he'll have to find a way to write a good
rescue for her, then an equally sudden death from some other cause after she
finally gets out. Either way, I think the story would be a bit strained to
make it all work.
Whether it is Perrin or not, I hope it's not Galad. He's one of the least
interesting characters in the entire series, and I'm sort of starting to
like Berelain's character.
--
Jeff
Davian / Dearic

Isn't Zarine Bashere the ONLY daughter of Davram Bashere? Coulda swore I
read that somewhere.... not sure, though.

[Robert Mee]

Post by Robert Mee

Post by Davian

Post by Eric Carlson

Post by Loïc Joly
But Berelain is already in love with Perrin, so she cannot fall in

love

Post by Davian

Post by Eric Carlson

Post by Loïc Joly
with him in the future.

I think it is quite a stretch to claim that Berelain is in love with
Perrin. I think she vaguely likes and admires him, but more she
appreciates him as a target for her sexual assaults. She might lust
after him, but I think calling it love is a stretch.

I don't think she's in love with him now. Or at least not "head over
heels".

Post by Eric Carlson
I also think it would be really wimpy for her to have a sudden change
of heart - realizing she is actually in love with him, no longer lust,
shortly after seeing him as gai'shain, but it is possible.

I also don't think it will be that much of a change of heart. In WH, and
more in CoT, Jordan has started redefining her character, giving us a bit
more in-depth look at her real motivations.
And gai'shan does not enter into it. The dressed in white part is due to
him being in mourning, over the death of Faile. If Berelain helps him get
through that, as she is currently helping him get through Faile's
kidnapping, it would go a long way towards making it natural for the two

of

Post by Davian
them to get together.
I agree that it's very much a longshot, but the reasons I think it is are
more reasons from outside of the story. Jordan has yet to work in
whatever plot point the "Broken Crown" is going to be, between Perrin and
Faile. If Jordan knocks off Faile now, then he has to invent some kind

of

Post by Davian
reason why Perrin is still the person the Broken Crown applies to, not
Faile's brothers (assuming it's something hereditary). If he doesn't

kill

Post by Davian
Faile in the Shiado camp, then he'll have to find a way to write a good
rescue for her, then an equally sudden death from some other cause after

she

Post by Davian
finally gets out. Either way, I think the story would be a bit

strained

Post by Robert Mee
to

Post by Davian
make it all work.
Whether it is Perrin or not, I hope it's not Galad. He's one of the least
interesting characters in the entire series, and I'm sort of starting to
like Berelain's character.
--
Jeff
Davian / Dearic

Isn't Zarine Bashere the ONLY daughter of Davram Bashere? Coulda swore I
read that somewhere.... not sure, though.

::goes in and erases "daughter" and replaces it with "child":: Yet another
reason not to post when you're both sick and not sleeping when you should
be.

Rob

[Davian]

Post by Loïc Joly

Post by Davian
Not exactly. You added two words to the vision. "Not Perrin." Min saw
her falling for a man dressed all in white. Nowhere in the vision did it
show that the man dressed in white was not Perrin.

But Berelain is already in love with Perrin, so she cannot fall in love
with him in the future.

Thats not the reading I get. IMO, for Berelain it began as a political
move, turned into a conquest, then a game. I think one day she's going to
wake up and discover the game has become real.

[Davian]

Post by Davian
Thats not the reading I get. IMO, for Berelain it began as a political
move, turned into a conquest, then a game. I think one day she's going to
wake up and discover the game has become real.

Have we ever seen one of the main stars 'Cheat' in WOT? Thats not how
RJ has written the books so far, and I don't think he will start with
Faile.
He went a long way and a lot of pages to show that the Love they have
for each other is real. Faile may use her being a female to get help
in a tight situation, but that is about it. She won't cheat on Perrin.

She wont' have to. Thats one of my main predictions involved in this
overall scenario, that Faile is going to become cooked falcon.

[Adam Canning]

Have we ever seen one of the main stars 'Cheat' in WOT? Thats not how
RJ has written the books so far, and I don't think he will start with
Faile.
He went a long way and a lot of pages to show that the Love they have
for each other is real. Faile may use her being a female to get help
in
a tight situation, but that is about it. She won't cheat on Perrin.

No, no cheating.

Breane Taborwin uses the fact that one of the Carheinin noble women
persuing Rand at Lord Barthemes ball should push off and leave him to
her.

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by Keith Lutener

Post by PJ Beers
And I think he'd do a lot better with Berelain than with Faile.

but min had a vision of berelain falling head over heels with a man

dressed

Post by Keith Lutener
in white, not perrin. so that wouldnt happen

Not exactly. You added two words to the vision. "Not Perrin." Min saw
her falling for a man dressed all in white. Nowhere in the vision did it
show that the man dressed in white was not Perrin.
As for why he would be dressed that way, as someone else pointed out
semi-recently, in the Two Rivers, dressing in white is funeral attire.

So Faile dies, Perrin dresses in white, and Berelain jumps into his arms and
wraps her legs around him. Somehow, I don't think he would be in the mood in
that situation.

[Keith Lutener]

Post by Keith Lutener

Post by Eric Carlson

Ok, Faile, as a means of escaping to her true love Perrin, is

going

to

Post by Keith Lutener

a little

Post by Eric Carlson

affair with Rolain (spelling? I don't have my books at my beach

house...) as

Post by Eric Carlson

expressed in COT. Has anyone really discussed how this is going to

AFFECT

Post by Eric Carlson

Perrin? I mean the woman he has been trying for ages to save

cheats

on

Post by Keith Lutener

him.

Post by Eric Carlson

Sure she can explain it, but doesn't it leave a seed of doubt or

something?

Post by Eric Carlson

Maybe it will just be best for everyone involved if Faile dies

(Quiet

Post by Keith Lutener

Faile

Post by Eric Carlson

haters...) Any thoughts?
Natsha

It's Rolan. I'm not convinced that she'll end up having an affair,
but maybe this is only because I haven't been reading this list long
enough.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she has one with Rolan. Perrin
might or might not have one with Berelain. When they are finally
reunited, he is meek as a lamb (because he had or nearly had one with
Berelain), then he finds out about her and explodes at her. This, as
we know, makes her as forward as a farmgirl at harvest, and they get

a

Post by Keith Lutener

Post by Eric Carlson
chance to kiss and make up.
I think RJ has invested too much in the Faile/Perrin relationship to
allow one of them to die. The only way to make their relationship
work, apparently, is to make Perrin really really mad at her, so I
think Rolan might be a plot device for this purpose.

Or a plot device that will finally throw him in the arms of Berelain.
Because at least Berelain's not such a sneak as Faile is, and acts in

the

Post by Keith Lutener

open. Or less under cover, that is, towards Perrin.
And I think he'd do a lot better with Berelain than with Faile.
PJ

but min had a vision of berelain falling head over heels with a man

dressed

Post by Keith Lutener
in white, not perrin. so that wouldnt happen

Drat the milksop Min!!!
...which of course means that Perrin will indeed be made gai'shain! Of
course, at first his blacksmith ploy will work, then he'll try to rescue
Faile, but next he'll be put in white.
Right... Carry on please.
PJ

lol nice try but min said it def wasnt perrin.

[Ryan dont call me Gunga MacIntosn]

Post by Eric Carlson

Ok, Faile, as a means of escaping to her true love Perrin, is going to

a little

Post by Eric Carlson

affair with Rolain (spelling? I don't have my books at my beach

house...) as

Post by Eric Carlson

expressed in COT. Has anyone really discussed how this is going to

AFFECT

Post by Eric Carlson

Perrin? I mean the woman he has been trying for ages to save cheats on

him.

Post by Eric Carlson

Sure she can explain it, but doesn't it leave a seed of doubt or

something?

Post by Eric Carlson

Maybe it will just be best for everyone involved if Faile dies (Quiet

Faile

Post by Eric Carlson

haters...) Any thoughts?
Natsha

It's Rolan. I'm not convinced that she'll end up having an affair,
but maybe this is only because I haven't been reading this list long
enough.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she has one with Rolan. Perrin
might or might not have one with Berelain. When they are finally
reunited, he is meek as a lamb (because he had or nearly had one with
Berelain), then he finds out about her and explodes at her. This, as
we know, makes her as forward as a farmgirl at harvest, and they get a
chance to kiss and make up.
I think RJ has invested too much in the Faile/Perrin relationship to
allow one of them to die. The only way to make their relationship
work, apparently, is to make Perrin really really mad at her, so I
think Rolan might be a plot device for this purpose.

Or a plot device that will finally throw him in the arms of Berelain.
Because at least Berelain's not such a sneak as Faile is, and acts in the
open. Or less under cover, that is, towards Perrin.

Oh she'd definitly be under cover with perrin, or under *the* covers,
or sheets rather. All I want to know is if its a power thing, or if
berilian is actually interested in perrin (I hope this hasn't been
discussed)

--
RM