Ebou Dar warping Power?

[Elfseeker]

Probably missed something in my reading(audio book) of Path of Daggers, but
find myself increasinly puzzled by these references to a 'disturbance in the
force', as it were. Were the cause described earlier, or is that put plain
later on?
Have an inkling that it might have something to do with what Elayne and that
bunch did, but can't quite see how setting the weather straight would mess
up either side of the power.

Annoying in the extreme that we do not get a view from the wondergirls'
viewpoint(Rands war on seanchan), but far as I can tell, they are not
affected..so why are the damane?

[Vinny R.]

Post by Elfseeker
Probably missed something in my reading(audio book) of Path of Daggers, but
find myself increasinly puzzled by these references to a 'disturbance in the
force', as it were. Were the cause described earlier, or is that put plain
later on?
Have an inkling that it might have something to do with what Elayne and that
bunch did, but can't quite see how setting the weather straight would mess
up either side of the power.
Annoying in the extreme that we do not get a view from the wondergirls'
viewpoint(Rands war on seanchan), but far as I can tell, they are not
affected..so why are the damane?

They're talking about Elayne's failed unweaving of her gateway in their
escape. It almost killed her, Avi, and Birgitte, but it destroyed all
the Seanchan attackers at the Kin Farm and caused 'a disturbance in the
Force'.

-VR

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by Vinny R.

Post by Elfseeker
Probably missed something in my reading(audio book) of Path of Daggers, but
find myself increasinly puzzled by these references to a 'disturbance in the
force', as it were. Were the cause described earlier, or is that put plain
later on?
Have an inkling that it might have something to do with what Elayne and that
bunch did, but can't quite see how setting the weather straight would mess
up either side of the power.
Annoying in the extreme that we do not get a view from the wondergirls'
viewpoint(Rands war on seanchan), but far as I can tell, they are not
affected..so why are the damane?

They're talking about Elayne's failed unweaving of her gateway in their
escape. It almost killed her, Avi, and Birgitte, but it destroyed all
the Seanchan attackers at the Kin Farm and caused 'a disturbance in the
Force'.

I think RJ confirmed that the strangeness in the OP arround Ebou Dar
was caused by the overuse of the Bowl of the Winds, by Elayne & Co.

[Aaron]

"Overuse?" Is that a quote? How much should they have "fixed" the
weather? 50%? 67.32%?

-Aaron

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by Aaron
"Overuse?" Is that a quote? How much should they have "fixed" the
weather? 50%? 67.32%?

Uh? Was that a joke?

Anyway, this matter has been discussed and is already covered by the
FAQ:

http://linuxmafia.com/jordan/2_nondark/2.3_one-power/2.3.12_op-eboudar.html

Read specially reason number 4.

[Robert Mee]

Post by Aaron
"Overuse?" Is that a quote? How much should they have "fixed" the
weather? 50%? 67.32%?
-Aaron

I think the "overuse" was actually an over-stressing of the Bowl. I
think Antonio points to the right part in the FAQ (I didn't go back and
look at it myself)... as I remember some point in the FAQ mentioning
that RJ had said that the Bowl was more of a regional ter'angreal in the
AoL, so using it to affect the weather of the entire world overstrained
it or some such.

Rob

[David Chapman]

From the Collected Witterings of Robert Mee, volume 23:
I remember some point in the FAQ mentioning

Post by Robert Mee
that RJ had said that the Bowl was more of a regional ter'angreal in the
AoL,

Moridin thinks that such ter'angreals should not be able to affect more than
a large part of a continent; however, he also wonders what weatherworkers as
skilled as Windfinders could do with one.

True, the Bowl was used more powerfully than it ever had been before, but
that was down to the skill and power of the users. It wasn't used beyond
its capacity - ter'angreal tend to melt, explode or still the user when that
happens.

Even though RJ himself says different, I don't think overuse of the Bowl was
the problem quite so much as the amount of power used, which must surely
have exceeded the power of a maximum size linking. Since the Bowl amplifies
the power put into it, this is almost the same thing anyway.

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by Robert Mee
I remember some point in the FAQ mentioning

Post by Robert Mee
that RJ had said that the Bowl was more of a regional ter'angreal in the
AoL,

Moridin thinks that such ter'angreals should not be able to affect more than
a large part of a continent; however, he also wonders what weatherworkers as
skilled as Windfinders could do with one.
True, the Bowl was used more powerfully than it ever had been before, but
that was down to the skill and power of the users. It wasn't used beyond
its capacity - ter'angreal tend to melt, explode or still the user when that
happens.
Even though RJ himself says different, I don't think overuse of the Bowl was
the problem quite so much as the amount of power used, which must surely
have exceeded the power of a maximum size linking. Since the Bowl amplifies
the power put into it, this is almost the same thing anyway.

Interesting, but if that was the case, shouldn't the same weirdness
show after the cleansing of saidin?

I mean, all the channelers in Randland were able to sense the
cleansing, while not all of them sensed the use of the Bowl, so the
amount of power must be greater in the cleansing.

[Robert Mee]

Post by Antonio Contreras

Post by Robert Mee
I remember some point in the FAQ mentioning

Post by Robert Mee
that RJ had said that the Bowl was more of a regional ter'angreal in the
AoL,

Moridin thinks that such ter'angreals should not be able to affect more than
a large part of a continent; however, he also wonders what weatherworkers as
skilled as Windfinders could do with one.
True, the Bowl was used more powerfully than it ever had been before, but
that was down to the skill and power of the users. It wasn't used beyond
its capacity - ter'angreal tend to melt, explode or still the user when that
happens.
Even though RJ himself says different, I don't think overuse of the Bowl was
the problem quite so much as the amount of power used, which must surely
have exceeded the power of a maximum size linking. Since the Bowl amplifies
the power put into it, this is almost the same thing anyway.

Interesting, but if that was the case, shouldn't the same weirdness
show after the cleansing of saidin?
I mean, all the channelers in Randland were able to sense the
cleansing, while not all of them sensed the use of the Bowl, so the
amount of power must be greater in the cleansing.

Perhaps the warping came from the fact that the Bowl had to draw Saidin
from somewhere ELSE. The Cleansing had a man and woman linked... the
use of the Bowl only employed women, and from the description we know
that Saidin was involved (the patches of nothingness in the weave that
came from the Bowl that something was in that the female channelers
couldn't "see")... perhaps the "Weirdness" came from the Bowl being
initiated only by women and not by a mixed circle.

[David Chapman]

Post by Antonio Contreras

Post by David Chapman
Even though RJ himself says different, I don't think overuse of the Bowl
was the problem quite so much as the amount of power used, which must
surely have exceeded the power of a maximum size linking. Since the
Bowl amplifies the power put into it, this is almost the same thing
anyway.

Interesting, but if that was the case, shouldn't the same weirdness
show after the cleansing of saidin?

Do we know that it doesn't show in Shadar Logoth?

[Antonio Contreras]

Post by David Chapman

Post by Antonio Contreras

Post by David Chapman
Even though RJ himself says different, I don't think overuse of the Bowl
was the problem quite so much as the amount of power used, which must
surely have exceeded the power of a maximum size linking. Since the
Bowl amplifies the power put into it, this is almost the same thing
anyway.

Interesting, but if that was the case, shouldn't the same weirdness
show after the cleansing of saidin?

Do we know that it doesn't show in Shadar Logoth?

We know that the sisters sent there to show the residues of the
weavings didn't mention it. And I think the would've if that was the
case. In the chapters when the weirdness shows in Ebou Dar, all the
channelers mention it, once and again... ad nauseam.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Aaron
"Overuse?" Is that a quote? How much should they have "fixed" the
weather? 50%? 67.32%?

IMHO, they should have waited until spring to fix the weather.