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BOOK 12 (spoilers)
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k***@hotmail.com
2009-11-02 02:12:05 UTC
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I really enjoyed the book; I hope everybody else does as well.

The dream that Rand had a conversation with Moridin was very
interesting. I am not sure of this, but it seems that because of the
balefire they unleashed in Shaider Logoth that they will combine into
one person, just guessing but all evidence seems to point in that
direction. How else was Rand able to reach out to the True Source
without submitting to the Dark One?

Rand killing Semirhage was a great scene, I had no idea how he was not
going to kill Min, for a second while I was reading it I thought she
was really going to die.

Egwene is obviously a bad ass, but honestly, they need to do away with
the weapon oath. Had she taken the oath in the first place before the
Seanchan had attacked, I doubt very much she would have been as
successful as she was in defending all of the novices and a few of the
Aes Sedai.

I am glad that Lews Therin is no longer going to be crying anymore in
the series, at least I hope so.

It seems that perhaps Perrin will now be the character that I liked
back in book four when he was in the two rivers, I can only hope. I
have been sick of his attitude for the last few books.

Mat, besides Lan of course is still my favorite character.

Not really sure what is going to happen with the borderland Armies in
Far Madding, that particular thread has lasted way to long.

Demandred is either part of the borderland army, the Asha’man in the
black tower or in the Shara lands. If anybody else has any clues
about that, let me know but that is my best guess.

Anyways, I can’t wait for the thirteenth book , I hope that the fast
pace continues.

Mike
p***@aol.com
2009-11-18 18:25:06 UTC
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Post by k***@hotmail.com
I am glad that Lews Therin is no longer going to be crying anymore in
the series, at least I hope so.
It's a shame we got no explanation for him, though - he just
disappeared with "they never really were two people". There used to be
a lot of speculation about what the voice was all about.
Post by k***@hotmail.com
Demandred is either part of the borderland army, the Asha’man in the
black tower or in the Shara lands.  If anybody else has any clues
about that, let me know but that is my best guess.
I can't remember what happened to Osan'gar in the end - Rand didn't
kill him, did he? Both he and Aran'gar seem to have vanished. It still
seems to me that Demandred's pulling Taim's strings somehow, so I'd
guess he's in the Black Tower - pity we had no Black Tower scenes this
book.

Phil
Pelle
2009-11-19 22:25:27 UTC
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Post by p***@aol.com
I can't remember what happened to Osan'gar in the end - Rand didn't
kill him, did he? Both he and Aran'gar seem to have vanished. It still
seems to me that Demandred's pulling Taim's strings somehow, so I'd
guess he's in the Black Tower - pity we had no Black Tower scenes this
book.
Elza killed him while Rand was cleaning the OP. For a DF, she
certainly took part in her share of Forsaken-killing
Tim Bruening
2010-03-27 19:10:25 UTC
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Post by k***@hotmail.com
I really enjoyed the book; I hope everybody else does as well.
The dream that Rand had a conversation with Moridin was very
interesting. I am not sure of this, but it seems that because of the
balefire they unleashed in Shaider Logoth that they will combine into
one person, just guessing but all evidence seems to point in that
direction. How else was Rand able to reach out to the True Source
without submitting to the Dark One?
So at Shayol Ghul, Rand's blood spilled onto the rocks will ALSO be
Moridin's blood!
Post by k***@hotmail.com
Rand killing Semirhage was a great scene, I had no idea how he was not
going to kill Min, for a second while I was reading it I thought she
was really going to die.
Egwene is obviously a bad ass, but honestly, they need to do away with
the weapon oath. Had she taken the oath in the first place before the
Seanchan had attacked, I doubt very much she would have been as
successful as she was in defending all of the novices and a few of the
Aes Sedai.
I agree that the 3rd Oath needs revision to allow AS to use the OP to
defend their freedom and defend Tower initiates. Since being leashed is
not death, then technically, the 3rd Oath would not allow the use of the
OP to prevent being leashed! Also, the 3rd Oath says that the OP can be
used in the "last extreme", yet I have seen AS use the OP against non DFs
well before the last extreme.
Post by k***@hotmail.com
I am glad that Lews Therin is no longer going to be crying anymore in
the series, at least I hope so.
Since LTT and Rand were never separate people, how was it that Rand kept
hearing his voice? Rand has realized that Ilyena might have been reborn.
If so, which person in Randland is Ilyena reborn? What will Rand do if he
finds her (especially if she isn't one of his current girlfriends)?
Post by k***@hotmail.com
Mat, besides Lan of course is still my favorite character.
Mat has one heck of a conflict of interest. He's developing cannon for
use against the Seanchan, yet he's married to the Seanchan Empress!
Post by k***@hotmail.com
Not really sure what is going to happen with the borderland Armies in
Far Madding, that particular thread has lasted way to long.
Nynaeve should guilt trip them into helping Lan. The Borderlanders' 13 AS
can easily Gate them to Tarwin's Gap.
Tim Bruening
2010-04-30 03:33:35 UTC
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Post by k***@hotmail.com
I really enjoyed the book; I hope everybody else does as well.
The dream that Rand had a conversation with Moridin was very
interesting. I am not sure of this, but it seems that because of the
balefire they unleashed in Shaider Logoth that they will combine into
one person, just guessing but all evidence seems to point in that
direction. How else was Rand able to reach out to the True Source
without submitting to the Dark One?
Rand killing Semirhage was a great scene, I had no idea how he was not
going to kill Min, for a second while I was reading it I thought she
was really going to die.
Egwene is obviously a bad ass, but honestly, they need to do away with
the weapon oath. Had she taken the oath in the first place before the
Seanchan had attacked, I doubt very much she would have been as
successful as she was in defending all of the novices and a few of the
Aes Sedai.
Egwene now has the ability to take Illian right out from under Rand's
nose: Simply return the legitimate King of Illian to his palace, armed
with the Horn of Valere. In a trice, Illian would shift from Rand to the
White Tower!

How to defeat the Black Tower: 13 linked AS use one of Nynaeve's Wells to
carry Far Madding's Male Guardian out beyond the range of its Female
Guardian, then take it through a Gateway to just outside the Black Tower's
walls. This would cut off the Asha'man inside the BT from the One Power,
without also cutting off the AS!

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