Gitara sending Luc to the blight...why?

[Clayton_T]

Gitara Moroso, the Miss Cleo of Randland, engineered a lot o' events
that served the Light, such as sending Tigraine to the Waste, getting
Siuan to realize the Aiel were the P of the D, instigating the Aiel
war indirectly so Rand could be born in the wetlands...

However, she also apparently sent Luc to the Blight, where he bought
out Isam (or the other way around) and they merged. This seems to be
a very bad thing...Slayer is no friend of the Light.

So, given that inconsistency, can't we theorize that perhaps Slayer
will later (maybe unwittingly) do something that greatly benefits the
Light? Maybe killing Fain or one of the FS by accident?

I've seen some (very) old threads on this in here...most of what I saw
was either: a) Gitara was BA (b/c the BA, under Ishy's orders, would
want the D to be RB) or b) she just got one wrong (law of unintended
consequences).

I don't buy it. Gitara seems to have been a singularly important
Foreteller...in an actively-influencing-events sort of way. I would
put my money on Slayer doing something unintentionally that greatly
benefits the Light.

[AcornArmy]

Post by Clayton_T
I don't buy it. Gitara seems to have been a singularly important
Foreteller...in an actively-influencing-events sort of way. I would
put my money on Slayer doing something unintentionally that greatly
benefits the Light.

Slayer might do something that helps the Light, true... or it might just
have been necessary to send Luc to the Blight in order for all the pieces
to move into the right positions. Slayer's existence might also be
necessary in the Big Scheme of Things, maybe not because of something that
he, himself, does, but because of how other people will react to his
presence. Perrin, for instance, might change in some way or do something
that he wouldn't have done otherwise, in order to stop Slayer from
destroying the wolves in T'A'R.

So, maybe Luc had to go to the Blight, first to get him out of the way,
then to allow Slayer to come into existence(which also changed the course
of Isam's fate), then Slayer acts as a catalyst for the good guys in the
present day. So, Slayer causes a small change in the flow of events, which
causes the minor likelihood that the good guys will win to suddenly become
a much greater possibility.

[Tasneem]

Maybe her fortelling worked in the same way as Elaida's. Recall that
Elaida's foretelling had come as "The key to Tarmon Gaidon will be the
house of Andor"

Maybe Gitara's was similarly vauge "The child born to the house of
Andor must go out to the borderlands and meet the people of the Dragon
to ensure that the Dragon is reborn"

Perhaps she thought that Luc, being the fighter, was meant to go and
help save someone and sent him first.

When he disappeared, she realised that it must be Tigraine the
foretelling referred to, not Luc??

[Clayton_T]

Post by Tasneem
Maybe her fortelling worked in the same way as Elaida's. Recall that
Elaida's foretelling had come as "The key to Tarmon Gaidon will be the
house of Andor"
Maybe Gitara's was similarly vauge "The child born to the house of
Andor must go out to the borderlands and meet the people of the Dragon
to ensure that the Dragon is reborn"
Perhaps she thought that Luc, being the fighter, was meant to go and
help save someone and sent him first.
When he disappeared, she realised that it must be Tigraine the
foretelling referred to, not Luc??

I don't know...I think the borderlands and the waste are pretty
distinct geographies. Can't see how they would be confused? If she
really mistook her own foretelling and targeted Luc, wouldn't she have
sent him into the waste?

[AndyMack]

I always assumed it was just a big Pattern thing. Basically...

If she doesn't send Luc into the Blight, then he doesn't merge with
Isam. If that doesn't happen, Slayer doesn't bring Trollocs into the
Two Rivers. If that doesn't happen, the Two Rivers people can remain
isolationist, Perrin never shows his ta'veren side, and someone is not
in the right place at the Final Battle.

Or something like that.

[Matt Korte]

Post by Tasneem
Maybe her fortelling worked in the same way as Elaida's. Recall that
Elaida's foretelling had come as "The key to Tarmon Gaidon will be the
house of Andor"
Maybe Gitara's was similarly vauge "The child born to the house of
Andor must go out to the borderlands and meet the people of the Dragon
to ensure that the Dragon is reborn"
Perhaps she thought that Luc, being the fighter, was meant to go and
help save someone and sent him first.
When he disappeared, she realised that it must be Tigraine the
foretelling referred to, not Luc??

Luc has to be at TG as Isam. It's Luc's blood that will be spilled
on the rocks of SG, by Lan seeking vengance on Isam, that will satisfy
the prophecies. Luc is of the Dragon's blood.

[Tasneem]

Post by Matt Korte

Post by Tasneem
Maybe her fortelling worked in the same way as Elaida's. Recall that
Elaida's foretelling had come as "The key to Tarmon Gaidon will be the
house of Andor"
Maybe Gitara's was similarly vauge "The child born to the house of
Andor must go out to the borderlands and meet the people of the Dragon
to ensure that the Dragon is reborn"
Perhaps she thought that Luc, being the fighter, was meant to go and
help save someone and sent him first.
When he disappeared, she realised that it must be Tigraine the
foretelling referred to, not Luc??

Luc has to be at TG as Isam. It's Luc's blood that will be spilled
on the rocks of SG, by Lan seeking vengance on Isam, that will satisfy
the prophecies. Luc is of the Dragon's blood.

Now THAT is an interesting loony theory!

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tasneem
Maybe her fortelling worked in the same way as Elaida's. Recall that
Elaida's foretelling had come as "The key to Tarmon Gaidon will be the
house of Andor"
Maybe Gitara's was similarly vauge "The child born to the house of
Andor must go out to the borderlands and meet the people of the Dragon
to ensure that the Dragon is reborn"
Perhaps she thought that Luc, being the fighter, was meant to go and
help save someone and sent him first.
When he disappeared, she realised that it must be Tigraine the
foretelling referred to, not Luc??

But the Aiel Waste is not the Borderlands.

[Sam Farias]

Post by Clayton_T
Gitara Moroso, the Miss Cleo of Randland, engineered a lot o' events
that served the Light, such as sending Tigraine to the Waste, getting
Siuan to realize the Aiel were the P of the D, instigating the Aiel
war indirectly so Rand could be born in the wetlands...
However, she also apparently sent Luc to the Blight, where he bought
out Isam (or the other way around) and they merged. This seems to be
a very bad thing...Slayer is no friend of the Light.
So, given that inconsistency, can't we theorize that perhaps Slayer
will later (maybe unwittingly) do something that greatly benefits the
Light? Maybe killing Fain or one of the FS by accident?
I've seen some (very) old threads on this in here...most of what I saw
was either: a) Gitara was BA (b/c the BA, under Ishy's orders, would
want the D to be RB) or b) she just got one wrong (law of unintended
consequences).
I don't buy it. Gitara seems to have been a singularly important
Foreteller...in an actively-influencing-events sort of way. I would
put my money on Slayer doing something unintentionally that greatly
benefits the Light.

How about Gitara just Foretells? And does not selectively give Foretellngs
that will have a good or bad influence? I think it was in TDR that Moiraine
said that the Pattern is neither good nor bad, neither the Creator's nor the
DO's; it just is.
Sam