"Dear Thom, Love Moiraine"

Post by Dan Weiner
So, what DOES Moiraine's letter to Thom say? We think they will marry
at some point (see FAQ 2.5.3), but the FAQ doesn't discuss the letter.
All we know is that Thom keeps the letter close to him and reads it often.

Enjoy:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E37F2109B

(years later, and that still makes me chortle)

--
Richard M. Boye' * ***@webspan.net
Typing into the Void: ***@gmail.com
http://www.webspan.net/~waldo/books/blogger.html
"Some men lead lives of quiet desperation.
My desperation makes a pathetic whining sound

Richard Boye

2005-08-06 21:43:08 UTC

Post by Richard Boye

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E37F2109B
(years later, and that still makes me chortle)

Well, not *that* posty, but the one to which I was responding. I linked
to the wrong post.

Here's the right one:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H28F2209B

BunnyThor

2005-08-06 22:06:49 UTC

Post by Richard Boye

(years later, and that still makes me chortle)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H28F2209B

Mmmmmmm.
Nostalgia with extra sauce.

We lived in a golden age, and we never realized it.

--Thor

Tux Wonder-Dog

2005-08-08 14:34:48 UTC

Post by Richard Boye

(years later, and that still makes me chortle)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H28F2209B

Mmmmmmm.
Nostalgia with extra sauce.
We lived in a golden age, and we never realized it.

"These are the good old days.

"Just you wait and see."

Post by BunnyThor
--Thor

Wesley Parish

--
"Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was
lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I
get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she
fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.
Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!

Matt C.

2005-08-08 09:32:38 UTC

my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Mark Erikson

2005-08-08 13:49:25 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

He's right.

-Mark Erikson

Daryl Keehn

2005-08-08 20:11:00 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

That only puts you three years younger than me, so I ain't that old :p
Incidently, 1998 was when I first started reading Wheel of Time ... I
remember because when TPoD came out, I was a couple of books behind and
pissed off 'cause the library didn't have the book I was up to.

Bryce

2005-08-08 20:41:40 UTC

On 8 Aug 2005 13:11:00 -0700, "Daryl Keehn"

Post by Daryl Keehn

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Wow.. I do feel old. I remember reading A Crown of Swords shortly
after it came out while traveling to Durango CO for my 10 year HS
reunion... And it looks like I'll be reading about 7-8 months before
my 20 year reunion...

--
now with more cowbell

Dan Weiner

2005-08-08 22:53:46 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

What kind of parents allow their eleven-year-olds to post on Usenet? I
can't imagine a worse place for a kid, except maybe a Rwandan killing field.

--
Taim is Demandred! Shut up, RJ! Shut up, irrefutable counterevidence!

Bryce

2005-08-09 13:07:15 UTC

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:53:46 GMT, Dan Weiner

Post by Dan Weiner

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

What kind of parents allow their eleven-year-olds to post on Usenet? I
can't imagine a worse place for a kid, except maybe a Rwandan killing field.

Or Michael Jackson's bedroom...

--
now with more cowbell

Wil Hunt

2005-08-09 20:15:53 UTC

Dan Weiner wrote:

<snip>

Post by Dan Weiner
What kind of parents allow their eleven-year-olds to post on Usenet? I
can't imagine a worse place for a kid, except maybe a Rwandan killing field.

I don't mind my kids posting on Usenet. I just don't want them reading
this $#!t.

Oh well.

--
Wil Hunt
Geek in training.
Jack of few trades, master of none.

BunnyThor

2005-08-09 01:00:22 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

--Thor

Daniel Holm

2005-08-10 19:31:44 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?

His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

--Daniel Holm

James Bremner

2005-08-11 08:38:41 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?
His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

I cant see anything wrong with the syntax. Other than a failure to put
a capital letter at the start and an over reliance on the ... symbol,
the name of which I dont remember, it makes perfect sense to me.

Daniel Holm

2005-08-11 09:00:10 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?
His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

He wrote "I was in year 5", which doesn't make the least bit of sense
in this context. It's supposed to be "I was 5 years old".

Unless, of course, I've completely misunderstood what he was trying to
say.

--Daniel Holm

Paul Lints

2005-08-11 09:08:19 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?
His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

He wrote "I was in year 5", which doesn't make the least bit of sense
in this context. It's supposed to be "I was 5 years old".
Unless, of course, I've completely misunderstood what he was trying to
say.

"I was in year 5" could be a referring to a school year (putting him at
around 11 years old or so then, and 18 or so now). It's not that
uncommon an expression in some parts of the world.

--
Paul W. Lints Jr. UIN: 25030144
Valid email: pwlints@*DELETEME*csupomona.edu

Daniel Holm

2005-08-11 17:47:02 UTC

Post by Paul Lints

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?
His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

He wrote "I was in year 5", which doesn't make the least bit of sense
in this context. It's supposed to be "I was 5 years old".
Unless, of course, I've completely misunderstood what he was trying to
say.

"I was in year 5" could be a referring to a school year (putting him at
around 11 years old or so then, and 18 or so now). It's not that
uncommon an expression in some parts of the world.

I see. I have personally never heard the expression before, which would
account for my confusion.

--Daniel Holm

Julie Schofield

2005-08-11 09:51:01 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?
His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

He wrote "I was in year 5", which doesn't make the least bit of sense
in this context. It's supposed to be "I was 5 years old".
Unless, of course, I've completely misunderstood what he was trying to
say.
--Daniel Holm

I think you did. I understood him to mean he was in Year 5 at school
which would have made him about 10 years old in 1998.

--
Julie Schofield

James Bremner

2005-08-11 13:32:23 UTC

Post by Matt C.
my god you people are old...I was in year 5 in 1998...

Judging by your punctuation and spelling, you're still there.

Spelling? What's wrong with his spelling?
His syntax is off, but his spelling seems fine.

He wrote "I was in year 5", which doesn't make the least bit of sense
in this context. It's supposed to be "I was 5 years old".

Year 5 is the (new fangled) British way of saying "fifth year of
school". In my day it was called 2nd Juniors, but now things are
different.

Post by Daniel Holm
Unless, of course, I've completely misunderstood what he was trying to
say.

I suspect you did.

Peter Strauss

2005-08-11 22:52:46 UTC

Post by James Bremner
I cant see anything wrong with the syntax. Other than a failure to put
a capital letter at the start and an over reliance on the ... symbol,
the name of which I dont remember, it makes perfect sense to me.

It's an ellipsis. Its proper usage is when words have been omitted,
and here, the writer is using it simply as a spacer, which usage is
grammatically incorrect.

Matt C.

2005-08-14 07:46:10 UTC

Haha. Yes, by year 5 I did mean my 5th year of school, the way we say
it in Australia. I'm 17 now...Interesting how people seem more
absorbed by my reply than the actual topic.

Wil Hunt

2005-08-14 17:46:50 UTC

Post by Matt C.
Haha. Yes, by year 5 I did mean my 5th year of school, the way we say
it in Australia. I'm 17 now...Interesting how people seem more
absorbed by my reply than the actual topic.

What was the topic, again? :P

--
Wil Hunt
Geek in training.
Jack of few trades, master of none.

Tim Bruening

2010-03-22 20:04:18 UTC

Post by Wil Hunt

Post by Matt C.
Haha. Yes, by year 5 I did mean my 5th year of school, the way we say
it in Australia. I'm 17 now...Interesting how people seem more
absorbed by my reply than the actual topic.

What was the topic, again? :P

A love letter from Moiraine to Thom, according to the thread title.

George Francis

2005-08-14 17:59:31 UTC

The letter, apart from a possible declaration of her love, contains
detailled instructions on how he must go about rescuing her. Possibly
from one of the Towers of Ghenji...

--
--
I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep Dracula
_and_ Superman away.
-Jack Handey

Daniel Holm

2005-08-14 18:58:53 UTC

The letter, apart from a possible declaration of her love, contains
detailled instructions on how he must go about rescuing her. Possibly
from one of the Towers of Ghenji...

I seriously doubt this, as Moiraine only had a "flutter of hope" when
she threw Lanfear and herself through the doorway.

--Daniel Holm

George Francis

2005-08-15 23:06:19 UTC

The letter, apart from a possible declaration of her love, contains
detailled instructions on how he must go about rescuing her. Possibly
from one of the Towers of Ghenji...

I seriously doubt this, as Moiraine only had a "flutter of hope" when
she threw Lanfear and herself through the doorway.
--Daniel Holm

I'd suggest reading TSR again; in the first few chapters as they're
leaving the Stone of Tear it's painfully obvious Moiraine was given
details about her rescue from the *finn while she is in the Red Stone
Doorway Ter'Angreal held there.
Even to the extent that she implies she's going to marry (Thom) after
the rescue.

--
--
I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep Dracula
_and_ Superman away.
-Jack Handey

Daniel Holm

2005-08-16 12:48:54 UTC

The letter, apart from a possible declaration of her love, contains
detailled instructions on how he must go about rescuing her. Possibly
from one of the Towers of Ghenji...

I seriously doubt this, as Moiraine only had a "flutter of hope" when
she threw Lanfear and herself through the doorway.
--Daniel Holm

Painfully obvious?

No.

If she had received information regarding her rescue from the Aelfinn
and the Eelfinn, she would not just have a "flutter of hope"--one
quickly suppressed, no less--that she would survive sending Lanfear
through the doorway.

The "flutter of hope" is obviously that she knows she will see Thom
again, as she said in TSR. One of the answers she received from the
Aelfinn, no doubt--but as is said, these are open to interpretation,
and she could have interpreted wrong.

--Daniel Holm

BClubb

2005-08-23 03:06:34 UTC

Post by George Francis
I'd suggest reading TSR again; in the first few chapters as they're
leaving the Stone of Tear it's painfully obvious Moiraine was given
details about her rescue from the *finn while she is in the Red Stone
Doorway Ter'Angreal held there.
Even to the extent that she implies she's going to marry (Thom) after
the rescue.

Don't think so. I think that she knows about Thom because of a viewing
that Min had before the series started. Because this hasn't happened
yet, she still has hope for life beyond the gateway. Sometime I think
it would be fun to follow the choices that Moiraine has made due to
prophesy.

Moiraine learns that she will go through the gateway and fall afoul of
the 'finns when she goes through the first ter'angreal in the waste that
all Wise Ones have to go through that shows all the possible courses of
their lives. She explains this later in her post mortem letter to Rand.

At the time of leaving the Stone, she still didn't have a clue that she
would need rescuing.

Bruce

Bruce

Tim Bruening

2010-03-22 20:07:03 UTC

The Gathering Storm Spoilers added.

The letter, apart from a possible declaration of her love, contains
detailled instructions on how he must go about rescuing her. Possibly
from one of the Towers of Ghenji...

Thom, Mat, and a man Moiraine does not know must attempt the rescue. The rescue
party must have those three men, and only those three men. Verin's letter to
Mat may have more information.

I bet that Moiraine will Bond Thom as her new Warder. Thom does have some
fighting ability.

vegitibles

2005-08-28 19:17:34 UTC

I always thought that the letter told Thom the names of the Red Ajah
who gentled his (nephew?) Owyn. That's the incentive that Moiraine
used in order to get Thom to safeguard Elayne and Nynaeve when they
went to Tanchico. Or, it was one of the incentives, at least.

Rich

2005-09-01 04:31:51 UTC

That, and:

I love you Thom. I would have liked to have been the mother of your
daughters (given my genes and yours we would have had to drown the
boys), but, unfortunately, it seems that won't happen. Anyway, I must
be saying "tinkerty-tonk," as I must write Rand a note with a cryptic
warning about Aes Sedai. I was

Almost yours,

Moir

Tim Bruening

2010-03-24 03:04:41 UTC