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Blue Ajah questions
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Sarah
2004-06-12 15:45:03 UTC
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Just finished reading New Spring some time ago.. so I'm sorry if I'm
rehashing old ground. But some things struck me about the Blue Ajah:

1 - Why do all the Blue Ajah secret weaves really really sound like various
versions of compulsion?

2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name for an
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to that.

3 - Er. Anyone remember the title of the Red Ajah and Brown Ajah head?

Sarah
Richard Boye'
2004-06-12 16:17:19 UTC
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Post by Sarah
Just finished reading New Spring some time ago.. so I'm sorry if I'm
[..]
Post by Sarah
2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name for an
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to that.
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Post by Sarah
3 - Er. Anyone remember the title of the Red Ajah and Brown Ajah head?
The Browns have a council, and there is a Head of the Brown Council. The
Reds simply refer to their generalissima as "the Highest."
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Sarah
2004-06-12 17:24:24 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name for an
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to that.
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
3 - Er. Anyone remember the title of the Red Ajah and Brown Ajah head?
The Browns have a council, and there is a Head of the Brown Council. The
Reds simply refer to their generalissima as "the Highest."
Thanks!

Sarah
Richard Boye'
2004-06-12 17:46:10 UTC
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Post by Sarah
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name
for an
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to
that.
Post by Richard Boye'
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
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Sarah
2004-06-12 18:07:25 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name
for an
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to
that.
Post by Richard Boye'
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
Well, I suppose RJ thought writing about the 4534534th time a Green "smiled
too much at men" was more important than talking about Ajah structure.

Yes, I agree, Captain-General is suitable, I just thought they'd come up
with something more, well, catchy. First Weaver sounded better.

I wonder what the Black call their leader. I can't seem to remember, was
Alviarin simply "the First"?
John S. Novak, III
2004-06-12 19:12:22 UTC
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Post by Sarah
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
Didn't Jordan used to go around claiming (in interviews) that the
White Tower, as a female-exclusive organization, didn't have a
hierarchical structure? And that's why all the politics eventually
ended up as consensus?

Or am I misremembering his position?

I always thought that position was bunk, myself-- yes, men and women
are a little different, but they're all still humans and have the same
basic organizational structures. And the more we see of the White
Tower structure, the more we see it's an unnamed, unrecognized, but
cast-in-stone hierarchy of Ajahs, Ajah leaders, Ajah speakers, etc.

It's be nice if I knew if Jordan was really that oblivious, or if he
was being intentionall ironic.
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Richard Boye'
2004-06-12 20:04:10 UTC
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Post by John S. Novak, III
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
Didn't Jordan used to go around claiming (in interviews) that the
White Tower, as a female-exclusive organization, didn't have a
hierarchical structure? And that's why all the politics eventually
ended up as consensus?
Or am I misremembering his position?
No, what he said, was that he believed that women would fashion an
organization that was more collegial and consensus based, rather than a
structured military-like tree (and threw in that his idea about how the
Aes Sedai would structure themselves came from the way the massive
land-owning convents of the Middle Ages were).
Post by John S. Novak, III
I always thought that position was bunk, myself-- yes, men and women
are a little different, but they're all still humans and have the same
basic organizational structures. And the more we see of the White
Tower structure, the more we see it's an unnamed, unrecognized, but
cast-in-stone hierarchy of Ajahs, Ajah leaders, Ajah speakers, etc.
But it's still... committee based, really. The Amyrlin cannot rule by
fiat, for example. The Hall needs to be brought around or shoved, and
its all very loosey-goosey and slippery as exercises of power go, as
opposed to, say, the obvious military system in the Black Tower. There
is no body that can counter the M'Hael, for example.

I can see what his point was, but as usual, his execution of his idea
falls flat, since basically everything in the Tower boils down to status
and who bows to whom.
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J.Hamby
2004-06-13 14:51:01 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
Post by John S. Novak, III
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
Didn't Jordan used to go around claiming (in interviews) that the
White Tower, as a female-exclusive organization, didn't have a
hierarchical structure? And that's why all the politics eventually
ended up as consensus?
Or am I misremembering his position?
No, what he said, was that he believed that women would fashion an
organization that was more collegial and consensus based, rather than a
structured military-like tree (and threw in that his idea about how the
Aes Sedai would structure themselves came from the way the massive
land-owning convents of the Middle Ages were).
This is odd. Having done some genealogocal research for
my mother back in my college days, I did some rather long
reads on Herford, Gandersheim and some other large convents
that survived into the 17th century and even beyond.
These convents all had a nice rank and file. In fact,
every organized society does when you think about it.
Particularly ones based in the Catholic Church as it
pretty much drew its organizational influence from the
Roman Empire.

Such is our nature. I find it odd, though so thoroughly
Jordan that he tries to draw such a distinction between
two things were a distinction, imo, is just not possible.
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by John S. Novak, III
I always thought that position was bunk, myself-- yes, men and women
are a little different, but they're all still humans and have the same
basic organizational structures. And the more we see of the White
Tower structure, the more we see it's an unnamed, unrecognized, but
cast-in-stone hierarchy of Ajahs, Ajah leaders, Ajah speakers, etc.
But it's still... committee based, really. The Amyrlin cannot rule by
fiat, for example. The Hall needs to be brought around or shoved, and
its all very loosey-goosey and slippery as exercises of power go, as
opposed to, say, the obvious military system in the Black Tower. There
is no body that can counter the M'Hael, for example.
Well it depends on what book you are reading. When he started the
series, it seemed that he modeled the Amyrlin as a mixture of a
Japanese military abbot at the end of the Fujiwara period and
Pope Julius II. As the series extended, Jordan had to throw in
some wrenches to make it more interesting and explain plot contrivances.
Post by Richard Boye'
I can see what his point was, but as usual, his execution of his idea
falls flat, since basically everything in the Tower boils down to status
and who bows to whom.
Very flat. And he persists in throwing wrench after wrench into the matter
in some really odd desire to complicate the matter beyond recognition. The
Ajah Heads absolute authority has been taken to ridiculous levels as seen in
CoT during the Sitters meeting with Elaida.

---
JSH
John S. Novak, III
2004-06-13 18:27:00 UTC
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Post by J.Hamby
Such is our nature. I find it odd, though so thoroughly
Jordan that he tries to draw such a distinction between
two things were a distinction, imo, is just not possible.
That's what happens when you've got an agenda.
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John S. Novak, III
2004-06-13 18:26:12 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
Post by John S. Novak, III
Didn't Jordan used to go around claiming (in interviews) that the
White Tower, as a female-exclusive organization, didn't have a
hierarchical structure? And that's why all the politics eventually
ended up as consensus?
No, what he said, was that he believed that women would fashion an
organization that was more collegial and consensus based, rather than a
structured military-like tree (and threw in that his idea about how the
Aes Sedai would structure themselves came from the way the massive
land-owning convents of the Middle Ages were).
That's not precisely how I remember it, but since I'm far, far too
lazy to go track down one of the quotes, we'll go with it.
Post by Richard Boye'
But it's still... committee based, really. The Amyrlin cannot rule by
fiat, for example. The Hall needs to be brought around or shoved, and
its all very loosey-goosey and slippery as exercises of power go, as
opposed to, say, the obvious military system in the Black Tower. There
is no body that can counter the M'Hael, for example.
But when push comes to shove, the Aes Sedai are exactly the same-- in
times of crisis, or even just when there's a particularly
strong-willed Amyrlin-- that whole nicey-nicey committee structure
breaks down. Informally, you'll get an Amyrlin with a puppetstructure
beneath her. Formally, you'll get the Law of War, which, shockingly,
makes the Aes Sedai exactly what Jordan claims they are not. Yes,
there are a few exceptions, but they're not meaningful.

(I also shudder to think who the Greens run a war without a command
structure.)

When the White Tower sends a task force out, there's always a
designated team leader, from whom all the others are supposed to take
instruction. (Not that this lasts, given the weird Aes Sedai social
structure, but still.)

And even when not on a task force, there's a rigid pecking order based
on seniority and brute strength-- strong enough that until the recent
troubles, ALL the Aes Sedai would know exactly where they fit in the
structure.

There was a time when I'd figure Jordan was just being ironic about
all that. Now, I figure he's just blowing it out his ass.
Post by Richard Boye'
I can see what his point was, but as usual, his execution of his idea
falls flat, since basically everything in the Tower boils down to status
and who bows to whom.
Exactly.
--
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Sarah
2004-06-14 01:30:29 UTC
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So essentially, RJ makes shit up as he goes along?

Sarah
Post by John S. Novak, III
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by John S. Novak, III
Didn't Jordan used to go around claiming (in interviews) that the
White Tower, as a female-exclusive organization, didn't have a
hierarchical structure? And that's why all the politics eventually
ended up as consensus?
No, what he said, was that he believed that women would fashion an
organization that was more collegial and consensus based, rather than a
structured military-like tree (and threw in that his idea about how the
Aes Sedai would structure themselves came from the way the massive
land-owning convents of the Middle Ages were).
That's not precisely how I remember it, but since I'm far, far too
lazy to go track down one of the quotes, we'll go with it.
Post by Richard Boye'
But it's still... committee based, really. The Amyrlin cannot rule by
fiat, for example. The Hall needs to be brought around or shoved, and
its all very loosey-goosey and slippery as exercises of power go, as
opposed to, say, the obvious military system in the Black Tower. There
is no body that can counter the M'Hael, for example.
But when push comes to shove, the Aes Sedai are exactly the same-- in
times of crisis, or even just when there's a particularly
strong-willed Amyrlin-- that whole nicey-nicey committee structure
breaks down. Informally, you'll get an Amyrlin with a puppetstructure
beneath her. Formally, you'll get the Law of War, which, shockingly,
makes the Aes Sedai exactly what Jordan claims they are not. Yes,
there are a few exceptions, but they're not meaningful.
(I also shudder to think who the Greens run a war without a command
structure.)
When the White Tower sends a task force out, there's always a
designated team leader, from whom all the others are supposed to take
instruction. (Not that this lasts, given the weird Aes Sedai social
structure, but still.)
And even when not on a task force, there's a rigid pecking order based
on seniority and brute strength-- strong enough that until the recent
troubles, ALL the Aes Sedai would know exactly where they fit in the
structure.
There was a time when I'd figure Jordan was just being ironic about
all that. Now, I figure he's just blowing it out his ass.
Post by Richard Boye'
I can see what his point was, but as usual, his execution of his idea
falls flat, since basically everything in the Tower boils down to status
and who bows to whom.
Exactly.
--
The Humblest Man on the Net
Kristi
2004-06-14 02:24:11 UTC
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Post by Sarah
So essentially, RJ makes shit up as he goes along?
It not being a documentary and all . . . ???

--K
Sarah
2004-06-14 03:31:16 UTC
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Post by Kristi
Post by Sarah
So essentially, RJ makes shit up as he goes along?
It not being a documentary and all . . . ???
It's not, but it would be nice if he could keep to his own story.
Kristi
2004-06-14 15:23:18 UTC
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Post by Sarah
Post by Kristi
Post by Sarah
So essentially, RJ makes shit up as he goes along?
It not being a documentary and all . . . ???
It's not, but it would be nice if he could keep to his own story.
Understood. It just made me giggle. If I could make enough shit up as I go
along, I guess I could write fiction, too.

--K
Chris
2004-06-14 14:57:20 UTC
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Post by Sarah
So essentially, RJ makes shit up as he goes along?
Sarah
<Snip>

Yes, he makes it up. He has frequently said he knows where he's going
but doesn't know the road (paraphrasing liberally).

Also, don't top post.

I return you to your discussion with the additional comment:

Don't forget the BA probably is responsible for some of the weird
operational rules that only serve to delay any constructive action.
Especially when Ishy is active, as applying stresses to warp the
development and growth of a group is something right up his alley.

Chris
Sarah
2004-06-14 16:27:53 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Sarah
So essentially, RJ makes shit up as he goes along?
Sarah
<Snip>
Yes, he makes it up. He has frequently said he knows where he's going
but doesn't know the road (paraphrasing liberally).
Also, don't top post.
Noted, thanks.

Sarah
Lampros Liontos
2004-06-22 17:30:07 UTC
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Post by Chris
Don't forget the BA probably is responsible for some of the weird
operational rules that only serve to delay any constructive action.
So, basically the BA are an Ajah of lawyers? Suddenly things are
becoming quite clear...
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Roland
2004-06-24 02:57:26 UTC
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Post by Chris
Don't forget the BA probably is responsible for some of the weird
operational rules that only serve to delay any constructive action.
So, basically the BA are an Ajah of lawyers? Suddenly things are
becoming quite clear...
If they are, they'd have to be those legal aid/action (I can't
remember which...) lawyers who use their powers for good.

-roland
Lampros Liontos
2004-06-23 16:23:17 UTC
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Post by Roland
If they are, they'd have to be those legal aid/action (I can't
remember which...) lawyers who use their powers for good.
*chuckle* You realize that by BA, I mean _BLACK_ Ajah, don't you? Those
would easily fit the more stereotypical of lawyers.
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Roland
2004-06-24 16:43:30 UTC
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Post by Roland
If they are, they'd have to be those legal aid/action (I can't
remember which...) lawyers who use their powers for good.
*chuckle* You realize that by BA, I mean _BLACK_ Ajah, don't you? Those
would easily fit the more stereotypical of lawyers.
Oh right. Duh. My bad...

Please don't hit me.

-roland
Lampros Liontos
2004-06-25 08:40:32 UTC
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Oh right. Duh. My bad...
Please don't hit me.
Now, tell me, why would I hit you, when it would be so much more fun to SUE
you? Maybe I'll use a BA as prosecution... ;)
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Post by Roland
Post by Lampros Liontos
Post by Chris
Don't forget the BA probably is responsible for some of the weird
operational rules that only serve to delay any constructive action.
So, basically the BA are an Ajah of lawyers? Suddenly things are
becoming quite clear...
If they are, they'd have to be those legal aid/action (I can't
remember which...) lawyers who use their powers for good.
BA: Ajah of sheep.
Tim Bruening
2011-01-02 00:10:35 UTC
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Post by Roland
Post by Lampros Liontos
Post by Chris
Don't forget the BA probably is responsible for some of the weird
operational rules that only serve to delay any constructive action.
So, basically the BA are an Ajah of lawyers? Suddenly things are
becoming quite clear...
If they are, they'd have to be those legal aid/action (I can't
remember which...) lawyers who use their powers for good.
BA: Ajah of sheep.

Bill Griffiths
2004-06-14 21:17:59 UTC
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Sources close to the investigation reveal that, on 13 Jun 2004
Post by John S. Novak, III
(I also shudder to think who the Greens run a war without a command
structure.)
Joint command? Political officers? Channelers and soldiers
committees?

Just think of the wonderful opportunities for plot twists, monkey
wrenches, and general incompetence.
Post by John S. Novak, III
When the White Tower sends a task force out, there's always a
designated team leader, from whom all the others are supposed to take
instruction. (Not that this lasts, given the weird Aes Sedai social
structure, but still.)
Given that the AS must know that the social structure will dominate
the official appointment, they should be smart enough to make
appointments that work with the structure instead of against it.
Since they aren't --
Post by John S. Novak, III
There was a time when I'd figure Jordan was just being ironic about
all that. Now, I figure he's just blowing it out his ass.
-- it does look like Jordan hasn't bothered to think things through.
--
Bill Griffiths
"for you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is in question
only between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak
suffer what they must." Thucydides V 89
Jasper Janssen
2004-06-17 20:30:46 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
But it's still... committee based, really. The Amyrlin cannot rule by
fiat, for example. The Hall needs to be brought around or shoved, and
its all very loosey-goosey and slippery as exercises of power go, as
opposed to, say, the obvious military system in the Black Tower. There
is no body that can counter the M'Hael, for example.
I can see what his point was, but as usual, his execution of his idea
falls flat, since basically everything in the Tower boils down to status
and who bows to whom.
Execution can counter the M'Hael. Piss off too many powerful people too
much, and you're still gone. He's got more power than a current day
Amyrlin compared to the other factions, but that sort of thing can change
over time.

Jasper
jewahe
2004-06-12 22:15:30 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
Didn't Jordan used to go around claiming (in interviews) that the
White Tower, as a female-exclusive organization, didn't have a
hierarchical structure? And that's why all the politics eventually
ended up as consensus?
Or am I misremembering his position?
I always thought that position was bunk, myself-- yes, men and women
are a little different, but they're all still humans and have the same
basic organizational structures. And the more we see of the White
Tower structure, the more we see it's an unnamed, unrecognized, but
cast-in-stone hierarchy of Ajahs, Ajah leaders, Ajah speakers, etc.
It's be nice if I knew if Jordan was really that oblivious, or if he
was being intentionall ironic.
<spoiler for book 6>


It is definitely hierarchal. In book 6, when Suian and Leann were
Healed, it was revealed that the ranking was based on whoever had the
greatest power. That's why Verin took over the delegation to Rand in
Caemlyn. Suian and Leann were both greatly reduced in power, both in
touching the one source, and in influence and command.
--
Jeff H
David Chapman
2004-06-13 00:12:27 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah.
It's also a mostly ceremonial rank within the British Army, equivalent in
status to Field Marshal but pertaining to a single regiment only. It used
to be much less ceremonial, and before we adopted the rank of Field Marshal
the commander in chief of the British Army held the rank of Captain-General
instead.

In terms of command structure, a Captain-General cannot be ordered in
matters pertaining to their own regiment except by a Field Marshal. That
would make it the precise analogue of an Ajah head as the Greens see it.

--
Twelve points to ... SLOVENIA!
jewahe
2004-06-13 02:32:31 UTC
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Post by Sarah
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2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name
for an
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to
that.
Post by Richard Boye'
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
The Blues consider themselves battle ajah? I thought that was the
Greens, which was one of the reasons Elayne and Egwene choose that Ajah
(not least because they also knew that Greens were freer to marry. In
Elayne's case, marriage is not an option - she has to produce an heir.
In Egwene's case, I think she had always wanted to be married, and only
gave up on Rand with great reluctance. Then Gawyn entered the picture -
Oh, by the way, no spoilers: I'm only on book 7).

Up to now, the Blues have been described as meddlers and influencers -
they work to make things happen, not to fight the good fight.
--
Jeff H
Richard Boye'
2004-06-13 16:26:27 UTC
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Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name
for an
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to
that.
Post by Richard Boye'
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
The Blues consider themselves battle ajah? I thought that was the
Greens, which was one of the reasons Elayne and Egwene choose that Ajah
(not least because they also knew that Greens were freer to marry.
Ummm...

Try rereading what I wrote.
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Richard M. Boye' * ***@webspan.net
Typing into the Void:
http://www.webspan.net/~waldo/books/blogger.html
"Some men lead lives of quiet desperation.
My desperation makes a pathetic whining sound."
jewahe
2004-06-13 17:42:50 UTC
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2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name
for an
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otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to
that.
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I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
The Blues consider themselves battle ajah? I thought that was the
Greens, which was one of the reasons Elayne and Egwene choose that Ajah
(not least because they also knew that Greens were freer to marry.
Ummm...
Try rereading what I wrote.
I must be missing something...You all must be talking about the Greens,
but without specifically mentioning them - the whole thread seems to be
about the Blues, and to someone who hasn't read new spring, it would
seem that you're saying the Blues are the ballle ajah...
--
Jeff H
Zachary
2004-06-13 19:10:15 UTC
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Post by jewahe
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
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Post by Sarah
2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really
dorky name for an otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is
positively funky compared to that.
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
The Blues consider themselves battle ajah? I thought that was the
Greens, which was one of the reasons Elayne and Egwene choose that Ajah
(not least because they also knew that Greens were freer to marry. In
Elayne's case, marriage is not an option - she has to produce an heir.
In Egwene's case, I think she had always wanted to be married, and only
gave up on Rand with great reluctance. Then Gawyn entered the picture -
Oh, by the way, no spoilers: I'm only on book 7).
Up to now, the Blues have been described as meddlers and influencers -
they work to make things happen, not to fight the good fight.
They are talking about the Green Ajah. I don't like having to explain as
you could easily find out by reading this thread but here goes. He is
saying that the title First Selector (Title for the Head of the Blue Ajah)
is lame, so lame in fact that it makes the title Captain-General (Title for
the Head of the Green Ajah) which is also apparantly lame, although personally
I liked it, look absolutely sterling.
J.Hamby
2004-06-13 14:36:30 UTC
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2 - Is it just me, or is the title First Selector a really dorky name
for an
Post by Sarah
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Post by Sarah
otherwise cool Ajah? Captain-General is positively funky compared to
that.
Post by Sarah
Post by Richard Boye'
I'm not even sure what it means. I think it is quite dorky as well.
First Counsellor or something would have been cooler. Or simply, the
Director or something.
Sorry, let me rephrase that. I thought Captain-General was bad, but First
Selector was worse. First Meddler would have been the most accurate for them
though
No, I uderstood you, but I think that Captain-General has a sort of
suitable ring to it, since they think themselves the Battle Ajah. I was
always surprised that the Greens didn't have some sort of military
heirachy to them.
I suspect that the mubo-jumbo in NS:tn with the swords on their doors has
something to do with the idea of rank and file.

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JSH
Jim Millen
2004-06-13 09:48:29 UTC
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3 - Er. Anyone remember the title of the Red Ajah and Brown Ajah head?
The Browns have a council, and there is a Head of the Brown Council. The
Reds simply refer to their generalissima as "the Highest."
IIRC, isn't the chief Brown's title "Head Librarian" or something like
that?
Richard Boye'
2004-06-13 16:25:36 UTC
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Post by Sarah
3 - Er. Anyone remember the title of the Red Ajah and Brown Ajah head?
The Browns have a council, and there is a Head of the Brown Council. The
Reds simply refer to their generalissima as "the Highest."
IIRC, isn't the chief Brown's title "Head Librarian" or something like
that?
Nope. You're thinking of the "Head Clerk" of the Gray Ajah.
--
Richard M. Boye' * ***@webspan.net
Typing into the Void:
http://www.webspan.net/~waldo/books/blogger.html
"Some men lead lives of quiet desperation.
My desperation makes a pathetic whining sound."
Bill Griffiths
2004-06-14 21:26:12 UTC
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Sources close to the investigation reveal that, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Jim Millen
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Sarah
3 - Er. Anyone remember the title of the Red Ajah and Brown Ajah head?
The Browns have a council, and there is a Head of the Brown Council. The
Reds simply refer to their generalissima as "the Highest."
Ouch. Could they have found anything more trite?
Post by Richard Boye'
Post by Jim Millen
IIRC, isn't the chief Brown's title "Head Librarian" or something like
that?
Nope. You're thinking of the "Head Clerk" of the Gray Ajah.
"Head Clerk" is not too bad -- though not as good as "First Servant"
or "Second Secretary."
--
Bill Griffiths
"E molti si sono imaginati republiche e principati che non si sono mai visti
ne conosciuti essere in vero" Machiavelli, P15
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